DEVELOPING: Israel launches strike on Iran nuke cites and military command

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

All the usual blaming of various US administrations in this thread, but that doesn't address the reality.

Iran is run by an individual who thinks he has a God given mission to destroy Israel.

That is that group's raison d'etre.

 

It's been that way for decades, just as the Iranian nuclear weapons program has been going on for that long.

There is no chance any US president was going to stop it unless by force, which is not a pleasant option, or by regime change brought on by internal force.

 

That is the reality, and anyone who has looked at their program for years would know that.

How they built their facilities, where they put them, how they spread them out etc.

 

Fortunately, the Iranian air defense system has been denigrated to the point of ensuring strike success against various sites, but the thought that Iran was suddenly going to stop is pure folly.

 

 

Correct, I REALLY don't like Trump, but blaming him on this shouldn't be in the cards. Heck, blaming Biden shouldn't be either. It doesn't matter if you used diplomacy or aggression, Iran was never going to stop pursuing a bomb. Whatever they agreed with they will not honor. They can't be trusted and Netanyahu knows it. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[sherpa]

19 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If Iran is intent on getting nuclear weapons why can't they buy them from say, North Korea or move their research operation to that country? Out of the reach of Israel forces. They're already aligned in the Axis of Evil. What do you think the response options would be to that move? Hypothetically speaking evaluate that option and hypothetical responses please.

 

Buying them from N. Korea would e a gross violation of many agreements.

Their nuc program has Pakistani origins and N. Korea technical support, and has for years.

Producing them in N. Korea would not get them in place to launch.

Delivering one of these things is a multi pronged issue.

The warhead, which needs about 90% pure, the missile range and accuracy, as well as mounting the warhead on it.

If they did it in N. Korea they would be found out and the weapons would likel never make it to Iran without interdiction. 

[Homelander]

From peace prophet to armchair general in record time. Must be exhausting flipping that fast.

 

 

[Homelander]

 

[yall]

30 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Nuts to think about a foreign entity building a base within your own border.

 

Looking at you China...

[Homelander]

 

[Homelander]

 

[Doc]

I've been saying for awhile that this was coming because Iran, the toothless JCPOA or not, was pursuing nukes and they weren't going to get them one way or another.  I also said that Israel had people in Iran ready to take it all down.

Edited 14 hours ago by Doc

[Homelander]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

I've been saying for awhile that this was coming because Iran, the toothless JCPOA or not, was pursuing nukes.  I also said that Israel had people in Iran ready to take it all down.

 

You say a lot, but you're rarely right. So go ahead - explain how “no deal” was somehow better than the JCPOA. Please site sources to back up your opinions.

 

Per Grok: After the U.S. pulled out in 2018, Iran ramped up enrichment beyond agreed limits. By 2020, their uranium stockpile exceeded 2,400 kg blowing past JCPOA caps.

 

Seems like walking away worked out great, huh?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

16 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

You say a lot, but you're rarely right. So go ahead - explain how “no deal” was somehow better than the JCPOA. Please site sources to back up your opinions.

 

Per Grok: After the U.S. pulled out in 2018, Iran ramped up enrichment beyond agreed limits. By 2020, their uranium stockpile exceeded 2,400 kg blowing past JCPOA caps.

 

Seems like walking away worked out great, huh?

You're a joke and nobody takes you seriously.

[Big Blitz]

16 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

You say a lot, but you're rarely right. So go ahead - explain how “no deal” was somehow better than the JCPOA. Please site sources to back up your opinions.

 

Per Grok: After the U.S. pulled out in 2018, Iran ramped up enrichment beyond agreed limits. By 2020, their uranium stockpile exceeded 2,400 kg blowing past JCPOA caps.

 

Seems like walking away worked out great, huh?

 

God, you’re an idiot and a hack

 

 

 

Finally, critics noted (PDF) that even if Iran abided by the agreement (which itself was in doubt), the original JCPOA wasn't a permanent limitation of the Iranian nuclear program, but a pause. The agreement included a sunset clause that meant that key parts of the agreement constraining Iran's enrichment capacity were set to expire in 10 to 15 years. Though the JCPOA required Iran to adhere (PDF) to the Additional Protocol of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and not pursue a nuclear weapon, Iran had also made and withdrawn (PDF)that commitment before. Critics argued that once the JCPOA expired, Iran would be able to drop the Additional Protocol and sprint to develop a nuclear weapon. Consequently, the agreement was not a lasting solution but simply kicked the can down the road.

 

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2025/05/the-revenge-of-the-jcpoa.html#:~:text=After first trying a series of cyberattacks,Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in 2015.&text=Critics of the JCPOA noted that Iran,of proxies or other malign activities abroad.

 

 

More:

 

At the time, most opponents of the JCPOA focused largely on three substantive critiques of the agreement. First, the agreement wasn't “comprehensive.” Although it curbed Iranian uranium enrichment, it did not curb Iran's missile program, the likely delivery mechanism for an Iranian nuclear bomb. Nor did the agreement do anything to roll back Iran's vast network of proxy military forces throughout the Middle East that were threatening U.S. forces and allies in the region.

 

Second, the agreement offered Iran sanctions relief in exchange for its restrictions on Iran's nuclear program. At the time, Iran had tens of billions of dollars sitting in foreign accounts. The JCPOA allowed Iran to tap these funds. Critics of the JCPOA noted that Iran could use this economic relief to nefarious ends, like upping its funding of proxies or other malign activities abroad. At the very least, the release of these funds would help the Iranian regime survive in the face of widespread domestic discontent.

[Homelander]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

God, you’re an idiot and a hack

 

 

 

Finally, critics noted (PDF) that even if Iran abided by the agreement (which itself was in doubt), the original JCPOA wasn't a permanent limitation of the Iranian nuclear program, but a pause. The agreement included a sunset clause that meant that key parts of the agreement constraining Iran's enrichment capacity were set to expire in 10 to 15 years. Though the JCPOA required Iran to adhere (PDF) to the Additional Protocol of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and not pursue a nuclear weapon, Iran had also made and withdrawn (PDF)that commitment before. Critics argued that once the JCPOA expired, Iran would be able to drop the Additional Protocol and sprint to develop a nuclear weapon. Consequently, the agreement was not a lasting solution but simply kicked the can down the road.

 

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2025/05/the-revenge-of-the-jcpoa.html#:~:text=After first trying a series of cyberattacks,Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in 2015.&text=Critics of the JCPOA noted that Iran,of proxies or other malign activities abroad.

 

 

More:

 

At the time, most opponents of the JCPOA focused largely on three substantive critiques of the agreement. First, the agreement wasn't “comprehensive.” Although it curbed Iranian uranium enrichment, it did not curb Iran's missile program, the likely delivery mechanism for an Iranian nuclear bomb. Nor did the agreement do anything to roll back Iran's vast network of proxy military forces throughout the Middle East that were threatening U.S. forces and allies in the region.

 

Second, the agreement offered Iran sanctions relief in exchange for its restrictions on Iran's nuclear program. At the time, Iran had tens of billions of dollars sitting in foreign accounts. The JCPOA allowed Iran to tap these funds. Critics of the JCPOA noted that Iran could use this economic relief to nefarious ends, like upping its funding of proxies or other malign activities abroad. At the very least, the release of these funds would help the Iranian regime survive in the face of widespread domestic discontent.

 

The usual Greatest Hits of JCPOA criticism - let’s unpack the MAGA talking points they have been fed.

 

“It had a sunset clause!” - So does literally every arms control deal. It's called diplomacy, not immortality.

 

“It didn’t cover missiles or proxies!” - Because it was a nuclear deal, not a solve-the-Middle East-in-one-treaty deal. Stay focused.

 

“Sanctions relief = funding terrorism!” - You mean the money we froze was given back in exchange for strict nuclear limits? Shocking concept: leverage.

 

And the result of ditching it? Iran's enriching more uranium than ever, closer to a bomb, and with less oversight.

But sure, “no deal” was the strong move. Genius.

[SectionC3]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

I've been saying for awhile that this was coming because Iran, the toothless JCPOA or not, was pursuing nukes and they weren't going to get them one way or another.  I also said that Israel had people in Iran ready to take it all down.

You also said HCQ is an effective treatment for COVID, so you can’t win them all. 

[sherpa]

All of this internecine arguing in this forum is a waste of time.

 

There is no agreement that Iran was going to sign on to to stop it's nuclear program.

Only an ignorant fool with no knowledge of that regime would conclude that any US administration could force it, short of military action.

 

Waste of time targeting the US policy.

The Israelis have this figured out, and have for some time.

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

9 minutes ago, sherpa said:

All of this internecine arguing in this forum is a waste of time.

 

There is no agreement that Iran was going to sign on to to stop it's nuclear program.

Only an ignorant fool with no knowledge of that regime would conclude that any US administration could force it, short of military action.

 

Waste of time targeting the US policy.

The Israelis have this figured out, and have for some time.

 

Tell that to ***** for brains. @Homelander

[Big Blitz]

37 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

The usual Greatest Hits of JCPOA criticism - let’s unpack the MAGA talking points they have been fed.

 

“It had a sunset clause!” - So does literally every arms control deal. It's called diplomacy, not immortality.

Feel the same way about Ukraine - where there are ZERO deals unless you use it to launder money.  
 

And no, it wasn’t an arms control deal.  It’s about nuclear weapons.  There shouldn’t be a sunset clause.  Our government changes and they know that.  Theirs does not.  
 

If it was such a great deal - sign a treaty.  
 

Iran never had any intention of following the agreement.  They never did.  There would be zero repercussions if they didn’t outside of sanctions by the U.S. - which we’d be doing anyway bc of their constant attacks on Israel.  
 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

“It didn’t cover missiles or proxies!” - Because it was a nuclear deal, not a solve-the-Middle East-in-one-treaty deal. Stay focused.

 

That’s not the main issue.  Just one problem of many.  

 

 

37 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

“Sanctions relief = funding terrorism!” - You mean the money we froze was given back in exchange for strict nuclear limits? Shocking concept: leverage.

 

And the result of ditching it? Iran's enriching more uranium than ever, closer to a bomb, and with less oversight.

But sure, “no deal” was the strong move. Genius.

 

It was such a great deal.  They were never not enriching uranium.  “More than ever.”  

 

Do you hear yourself.  
 

NO ENRICHMENT.  THATS THE DEAL.  
 

 

 

Allowing 3 percent is all they need to get to a bomb.  That’s what they were doing.  

[Doc]

49 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

You also said HCQ is an effective treatment for COVID, so you can’t win them all. 

 

And you believed face diapers and lockdowns and 6 feet were, because we didn't have time to find out if they were effective or not.  And they actually did more harm than good.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

From Germany in 2016:

 

 

…Germany’s domestic intelligence agency said in its annual report that Iran has a “clandestine” effort to seek illicit nuclear technology and equipment from German companies “at what is, even by international standards, a quantitatively high level.” The findings by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany’s equivalent of the FBI, were issued in a 317-page report last week.

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel underscored the findings in a statement to parliament, saying Iran violated the United Nations Security Council’s anti-missile development regulations. “Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told the Bundestag....The German report also stated “it is safe to expect that Iran will continue its intensive procurement activities in Germany using clandestine methods to achieve its objectives.”
 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/iran-cheating-nuclear-deal

[Big Blitz]

Maybe it wasn’t the best plan to trust such significant geopolitical problems with a street agitator from Chicago that spoke well (while saying nothing) and accomplished absolutely zero in his personal or political life that should tell us - yea this guy is a great idea!