The Trump Justice Dept. is a joke! I’m so disappointed

[JFKjr]

18 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

The science?  You mean the ***** they made up out of thin air?  That they have since admitted there was no science behind.  

 

So much THE SCIENCE! How about giving experimental shots to pregnant women? That sounds safe! Locking everyone down and vaccinating them to protect the elderly. (average age of a Covid death was over 80.) No gathering in groups unless it's a political protest! Keeping a mask on when you walk in a restaurant but taking it off to eat! Masks for schoolkids but not politicians! One way aisles in grocery stores! (think how many lives THAT saved!)

 

 

CDC's 6-Foot Distancing Rule Was 'Arbitrary'

[BillsFanNC]

Trump was right again.  March 2020.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

good.  so you supported your claim.  Finally.  I asked you to and you eventually got around to it.  I supported everything I posted as well.  Isolation indeed decreased mortality just as it had in other pandemics through history that we learned from.  That's how it should work.  JFK would have us throw out all previous documented observations aka science.  Perhaps we should do a study on the educational attainment of people with his opinions on covid.

 

 

In 2020, Sweden had no lock downs and had a mortality rate 2/3 of the U.S. Its a developed nation comparable to the U.S. The average age of the population is about the same. Perhaps a generally more healthy population could explain the disparity? And if that's correct then I'd argue generally poor health makes people susceptible to all kinds of viruses, bacterial infections, and environmental hazards like air quality. So isn't the real problem in the U.S. we have a disproportionate number of overweight, out of shape citizens with poor eating habits and generally unhealthy lifestyles. Isn't that something RFK Jr. is targeting as a problem?

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

good.  so you supported your claim.  Finally.  I asked you to and you eventually got around to it.  I supported everything I posted as well.  Isolation indeed decreased mortality just as it had in other pandemics through history that we learned from.  That's how it should work.  JFK would have us throw out all previous documented observations aka science.  Perhaps we should do a study on the educational attainment of people with his opinions on covid.

 

 

The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

44 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

In 2020, Sweden had no lock downs and had a mortality rate 2/3 of the U.S. Its a developed nation comparable to the U.S. The average age of the population is about the same. Perhaps a generally more healthy population could explain the disparity? And if that's correct then I'd argue generally poor health makes people susceptible to all kinds of viruses, bacterial infections, and environmental hazards like air quality. So isn't the real problem in the U.S. we have a disproportionate number of overweight, out of shape citizens with poor eating habits and generally unhealthy lifestyles. Isn't that something RFK Jr. is targeting as a problem?

Already posted once.  perhaps you'll read it this time?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45934-2

25 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. 

after my workout and hot tub.  to be continued....

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Already posted once.  perhaps you'll read it this time?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45934-2

 

I read it again and still see no mention of schools. Perhaps you can quote the place where they mention shutting down schools.

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. 

Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation.

[Orlando Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation.

I am not sure where you think I am absolving any pro school lockdown people. I am showing that the "follow the science" people did not follow the science, but followed the politicians. Most doctors in 2020 said kids should be in school but that recommendation was not followed. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I read it again and still see no mention of schools. Perhaps you can quote the place where they mention shutting down schools.

That was for all pro and the Sweden issue. This is for you

https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21

 

nice summary of the arguments for closing, at the time. Many still hold especially re overall mortality. Many studies showed closing schools lowered it significantly. I’ll post one from JAMA shortly. 
 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769033

Edited yesterday at 06:45 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation.

Glad I’m out. Too many asshat patients like you. Heal yourself. Don’t go asking experts for help. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

That was for all pro and the Sweden issue. This is for you

https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21

 

nice summary of the arguments for closing, at the time. Many still hold especially re overall mortality. Many studies showed closing schools lowered it significantly. I’ll post one from JAMA shortly. 
 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769033

the ballotpedia link won't open on my phone and the jama one does not advocate for closing the schools and in my opinion states the damage done will have consequences far into the future. 

[TH3]

On 5/23/2025 at 10:12 AM, BillsFanNC said:

I've said it before, but if people don't go to jail for what they've done then we're finished.

 

I'm confident the leaders in the FBI and DOJ fully understand this so I'm willing to give them enough time to build air tight cases.

 

But if they fail, we're finished as a country.

 

This is their one chance. 

Ya ....like going to jail for trying to overthrow a free and fair election?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

the ballotpedia link won't open on my phone and the jama one does not advocate for closing the schools and in my opinion states the damage done will have consequences far into the future. 

Try again https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21 

 

the JAMA article shows the very positive effect on mortality which is a concrete endpoint. Unlike the effects of missing the prom or free school lunches which are more difficult to quantify…one could argue that free school lunches shouldn’t be needed in a country as wealthy as the US. 
 

orresponding to an estimated absolute difference in mortality of 12.6 (95% CI, 11.8 to 13.6) deaths per 100 000. Extrapolating these results to the US population, the authors estimate that school closure may have been associated with 1.37 million fewer cases of COVID-19 over a 26-day period and 40 600 fewer deaths over a 16-day period during the spring of 2020. It is important to emphasize these are estimates.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:45 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[JDHillFan]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Try again https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21 

 

the JAMA article shows the very positive effect on mortality which is a concrete endpoint. Unlike the effects of missing the prom or free school lunches which are more difficult to quantify…one could argue that free school lunches shouldn’t be needed in a country as wealthy as the US. 

The ballotpedia link includes a hyperlink for the arguments against closing schools. Shocked that you missed it. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

The ballotpedia link includes a hyperlink for the arguments against closing schools. Shocked that you missed it. 

I didn’t   I also noted links to multiple scholarly publications supporting the positions of the scientists supporting school closures within the article.

Edited yesterday at 08:49 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[JFKjr]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I didn’t   I also noted links to multiple scholarly publications supporting the positions of the scientists supporting school closures within the article.

 

Love this part where they're citing 'past pandemics' including a study based on a MODEL in 2006, and of course that crazy pandemic from 2009 which we all remember. (sounds the same as temporary school closures that occur during an intense flu season) Great stuff! 

 

Claim: Evidence from past pandemics supports school closures

Aaron E. Carroll, professor of pediatrics at the Indiana University School of Medicine (The New York Times): "It’s not just children that we need to worry about. Plenty of adults work in schools: teachers, janitors, food preparation workers and more. They’re all being put at risk by keeping schools open. Arguably they’re more at risk than many other workers at businesses that have already been shut down. Closing schools can make a big difference in flattening the curve, evidence from past epidemics shows. A study in Nature in 2006 that modeled an influenza outbreak found that closing school during the peak of a pandemic could reduce the peak attack rate, or speed of spread, by 40 percent. Another study in 2016 in BMC Infectious Diseases found that, based on the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, closing schools could reduce the attack rate up to 25 percent and the peak weekly incidence, or rate of new cases, by more than 50 percent." - "Is Closing the Schools a Good Idea?," March 17, 2020.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, JFKjr said:

 

Love this part where they're citing 'past pandemics' including a study based on a MODEL in 2006, and of course that crazy pandemic from 2009 which we all remember. (sounds the same as temporary school closures that occur during an intense flu season) Great stuff! 

 

Claim: Evidence from past pandemics supports school closures

Aaron E. Carroll, professor of pediatrics at the Indiana University School of Medicine (The New York Times): "It’s not just children that we need to worry about. Plenty of adults work in schools: teachers, janitors, food preparation workers and more. They’re all being put at risk by keeping schools open. Arguably they’re more at risk than many other workers at businesses that have already been shut down. Closing schools can make a big difference in flattening the curve, evidence from past epidemics shows. A study in Nature in 2006 that modeled an influenza outbreak found that closing school during the peak of a pandemic could reduce the peak attack rate, or speed of spread, by 40 percent. Another study in 2016 in BMC Infectious Diseases found that, based on the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, closing schools could reduce the attack rate up to 25 percent and the peak weekly incidence, or rate of new cases, by more than 50 percent." - "Is Closing the Schools a Good Idea?," March 17, 2020.

exactly, the past guides the future.  It was the best available evidence.  We learn as we go.  No one is denying we were flying blind.

[CoudyBills]

On 5/26/2025 at 3:55 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The science began with the first pandemic and each subsequent one including the plague and the flu epidemic that also killed millions.  We eventually developed very effective strategies against both.  Masks and vaccines and isolation worked for those at least to a useful degree.  Public health policy adapted and followed suit.  The fact that some previously used measures didn't work as well on a novel, highly pathogenic virus is not surprising.  The fact that so many people still refuse to believe that some of them worked very well isn't surprising either.

Say it with me, the people who initially told you masks work later told you masks did not work.  The fact that some people don't believe that is also not surprising.  All it did was destroy the future for our children and grandchildren.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Say it with me, the people who initially told you masks work later told you masks did not work.  The fact that some people don't believe that is also not surprising.  All it did was destroy the future for our children and grandchildren.  

last I knew, surgeons are still wearing masks to operate.  If I need surgery, I'll insist my surgeon does.

[CoudyBills]

21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

last I knew, surgeons are still wearing masks to operate.  If I need surgery, I'll insist my surgeon does.

That is to prevent droplets in the field, not to prevent viral transmission.