JFKjr Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 18 hours ago, CoudyBills said: The science? You mean the ***** they made up out of thin air? That they have since admitted there was no science behind. So much THE SCIENCE! How about giving experimental shots to pregnant women? That sounds safe! Locking everyone down and vaccinating them to protect the elderly. (average age of a Covid death was over 80.) No gathering in groups unless it's a political protest! Keeping a mask on when you walk in a restaurant but taking it off to eat! Masks for schoolkids but not politicians! One way aisles in grocery stores! (think how many lives THAT saved!) CDC's 6-Foot Distancing Rule Was 'Arbitrary' 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: good. so you supported your claim. Finally. I asked you to and you eventually got around to it. I supported everything I posted as well. Isolation indeed decreased mortality just as it had in other pandemics through history that we learned from. That's how it should work. JFK would have us throw out all previous documented observations aka science. Perhaps we should do a study on the educational attainment of people with his opinions on covid. In 2020, Sweden had no lock downs and had a mortality rate 2/3 of the U.S. Its a developed nation comparable to the U.S. The average age of the population is about the same. Perhaps a generally more healthy population could explain the disparity? And if that's correct then I'd argue generally poor health makes people susceptible to all kinds of viruses, bacterial infections, and environmental hazards like air quality. So isn't the real problem in the U.S. we have a disproportionate number of overweight, out of shape citizens with poor eating habits and generally unhealthy lifestyles. Isn't that something RFK Jr. is targeting as a problem? 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: good. so you supported your claim. Finally. I asked you to and you eventually got around to it. I supported everything I posted as well. Isolation indeed decreased mortality just as it had in other pandemics through history that we learned from. That's how it should work. JFK would have us throw out all previous documented observations aka science. Perhaps we should do a study on the educational attainment of people with his opinions on covid. The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 44 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: In 2020, Sweden had no lock downs and had a mortality rate 2/3 of the U.S. Its a developed nation comparable to the U.S. The average age of the population is about the same. Perhaps a generally more healthy population could explain the disparity? And if that's correct then I'd argue generally poor health makes people susceptible to all kinds of viruses, bacterial infections, and environmental hazards like air quality. So isn't the real problem in the U.S. we have a disproportionate number of overweight, out of shape citizens with poor eating habits and generally unhealthy lifestyles. Isn't that something RFK Jr. is targeting as a problem? Already posted once. perhaps you'll read it this time? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45934-2 25 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. after my workout and hot tub. to be continued....
Orlando Buffalo Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Already posted once. perhaps you'll read it this time? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45934-2 I read it again and still see no mention of schools. Perhaps you can quote the place where they mention shutting down schools.
All_Pro_Bills Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The fact that something that is so widely known, and has been for 5 years now, is something I had to show support for is telling. I now am asking for one thing from you, can you show me one science type person who advocated for shutting schools down, not a politician. Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation. 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation. I am not sure where you think I am absolving any pro school lockdown people. I am showing that the "follow the science" people did not follow the science, but followed the politicians. Most doctors in 2020 said kids should be in school but that recommendation was not followed. 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I read it again and still see no mention of schools. Perhaps you can quote the place where they mention shutting down schools. That was for all pro and the Sweden issue. This is for you https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21 nice summary of the arguments for closing, at the time. Many still hold especially re overall mortality. Many studies showed closing schools lowered it significantly. I’ll post one from JAMA shortly. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769033 Edited 1 hour ago by Joe Ferguson forever
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Despite your efforts to absolve the medical community of any responsibility when politicians that instituted lock downs met any resistance they cited the advice of their medical experts and "the science" as the basis of their lock down proclamations. And as an aside, any medical professional that objected to the "consensus" view regardless of how credible their case or the power of their credentials in medical practice and research were threatened with fines and revocation of their medical license along with subtle and not so subtle threats of being blacklisting from the profession. Politicians may have held the medical community hostage to push their agenda but most were willing participants in the operation. Glad I’m out. Too many asshat patients like you. Heal yourself. Don’t go asking experts for help.
Orlando Buffalo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: That was for all pro and the Sweden issue. This is for you https://ballotpedia.org/Arguments_in_favor_of_school_closures_during_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-21 nice summary of the arguments for closing, at the time. Many still hold especially re overall mortality. Many studies showed closing schools lowered it significantly. I’ll post one from JAMA shortly. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769033 the ballotpedia link won't open on my phone and the jama one does not advocate for closing the schools and in my opinion states the damage done will have consequences far into the future.
TH3 Posted 31 minutes ago Posted 31 minutes ago On 5/23/2025 at 10:12 AM, BillsFanNC said: I've said it before, but if people don't go to jail for what they've done then we're finished. I'm confident the leaders in the FBI and DOJ fully understand this so I'm willing to give them enough time to build air tight cases. But if they fail, we're finished as a country. This is their one chance. Ya ....like going to jail for trying to overthrow a free and fair election?
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