Kelly the Dog Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Already changing your tune? 9-2 isn't getting it done? Holy crap what are your standards? 364148[/snapback] If Drew played well in the biggest game of his Bills career, he would still be the Bills QB. He had his chance, he let us down. Not the only one on the team, surely, but he didn't step up just when we needed him. Too many times. Even with Willis and Evans in there for 1/2 to 2/3 of the season we were still ranked 25th or so. I'm sure it was a difficult decision, no one can deny (honestly) that there were pros and cons to both moves (dumping Drew or keeping him). The best choice in the coaches minds, and mine, was to go with the upside now. Adequate play from JP could get us in the playoffs. Good play could get us far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Sorry AD, but that is just a little short sighted imo. The Bills had a rookie coach. They had Travis until Halloween. Mike Williams was out of shape for at least 5 weeks, perhaps also until Halloween. There were problems at LG, and major injuries to the secondary. It wasn't all Drew. 364077[/snapback] The fact about Drew that was disappointing last year was that with the season on the line in that last game, he could not rally his team and win against some scrubs in your own backyard.....Drew was the leader of the team and he is eventually responsible for the horrible work they did on that day.....The team as a whole stunk it....but if the leader had shown some emotion and pulled the players behind him with a great performance, then may be he can say, I tried, but the rest would not follow....I am sorry....drew failed miserably on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 A combined 10 TD's scored by the Defense and ST's. ST's ranked #1 Defense ranked #2 Offense ranked #26 Those pesky minor details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Already changing your tune? 9-2 isn't getting it done? Holy crap what are your standards? 364148[/snapback] No i'm not changing my tune...my stance has always been that while last year wasnt all drew's fault, the guy couldnt get it done anymore...and we needed a change back there if we were going to move ahead... I didnt know the only 2 drew opinions allowed on this board were either worship him or want to lynch him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bills were a team trying to play "smashmouth" with a rookie coach, a weak OL, and Travis Henry sliding on his ass (untouched), missing blocks and running wrong routes. Sacks were cut in half as soon as he left, and the team started winning. Nah, makes no difference. Let's blame Drew. 364121[/snapback] We win the Jags game playing smashmouth if the wide open FB is seen by the QB in the flat on the goaline when we're up 7-3. Against Oakland we didn't play smashmouth - everyone complained that we threw too much - and the passing game sucked. Granted, Henry screwed up the NE game. But also, the refs coincidentally stopped throwing flags every time our Special Teams made a play after Halloween, which greatly helped our point total. I think we can all agree that no 1 guy is responsible for a unit sucking for so long of such historic proportions. Having a below average OL is probably the biggest problem. I think where we differ, is that I would probably rank "lousy starting QB" ahead of "average starting RB" as the #2 reason. Sure, Trent Dilfer won a SB. So did Antowain Smith and that Pittman guy of Tampa Bay. Yes, McGahee is a better player than Henry if that's what you wanted to hear. I personally feel that's more of a credit to Willis than a knock on TH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Then how do you explain the points explosion once WM was put in for TH? If you're looking for common denominator, it appears that TH is the most obvious choice. CW 364107[/snapback] One thing in THs defense was that the 1st five games on that schedule was a killer in terms of Rush offense....We were playing Jax, Oakland, NE NYJ and at Baltimore....all had excellent Run defense....and you know what, they all put 8 men in the box and challenged Bledsoe to beat them...and he did it exactly once during that 5 game stretch.... On the other side, when WM came in, he got to play the likes of Miami, Arizona, Rams, seahawks, browns, bengals and the 49ers...the only tough games were home to the Jets and away game at NE... I love us having to go this year with McGahee since he is a more all-round back than TH...but don't blame TH for our losses in the 1st five games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 A combined 10 TD's scored by the Defense and ST's. ST's ranked #1 Defense ranked #2 Offense ranked #26 Those pesky minor details. 364157[/snapback] Yeah I know pesky stats: Total we had 293.2 YPG on offense With Travis we averaged 268.8 which put us 2nd to last in the NFL With Willis we averaged 304.3 which moves us up 3-4 spots. Still not great, but the other thing is TOP goes way up with Willis in there. Which if you look at defensive stats we were a lot better with Willis playing then with TH. You think maintaining ball control might have helped the defense as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 One thing in THs defense was that the 1st five games on that schedule wasa killer in terms of Rush offense....We were playing Jax, Oakland, NE NYJ and at Baltimore....all had excellent Run defense....and you know what, they all put 8 men in the box and challenged Bledsoe to beat them...and he did it exactly once during that 5 game stretch.... You mean twice - the TD's to Moulds & Evans vs. NE & NYJ. Two plays. You weren't talking in terms of games were you? That would be "zero". On the other side, when WM came in, he got to play the likes of Miami,Arizona, Rams, seahawks, browns, bengals and the 49ers...the only tough games were home to the Jets and away game at NE... I love us having to go this year with McGahee since he is a more all-round back than TH...but don't blame TH for our losses in the 1st five games... 364170[/snapback] Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Do you see ANY chance that he will not be as good as Bledsoe? 364058[/snapback] The Bills don't even believe this 100%. If they thought JP would be at least as good as Bledsoe was last year, Kelly Holcomb would not be on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risin Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Thank god Drew is gone, and people have moved on. Face it, he's not as bad as some say, and he sure as hell was a way bigger part of the problem then some like to admit. Either way, he's gone, and I couldn't be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I think 4 years of Drew Bledsoe have dulled people's expectations around here. PTR 363824[/snapback] I agree but would extend my disappointment all the way back to Todd Collins, the annointed successor to Jim Kelly. I have not been HAPPY about the QB situation since the Jim and Frank days. That said I am 100% behind JP, but I am guarded in my expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I agree but would extend my disappointment all the way back to Todd Collins, the annointed successor to Jim Kelly. I have not been HAPPY about the QB situation since the Jim and Frank days. That said I am 100% behind JP, but I am guarded in my expectations. 364274[/snapback] 4 years of Drew? This is why you consider the source before you agree with him Rock. He can't even get one simple little fact right. What makes you think he can see the bigger picture clearly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Then how do you explain the points explosion once WM was put in for TH? If you're looking for common denominator, it appears that TH is the most obvious choice. CW 364107[/snapback] Drew Bledsoe's stats in the games against teams with either 10 or more wins OR who made playoffs: Attempts: 602 Completions: 342 Percentage: 56.8% Yards: 3601 TDs: 15 Interceptions: 26 Rating: 64.66 Sacked: 61 Average per game stats: Attempts: 32 Completions: 18 Percentage: 56.8% Yards: 190 TDs: 0.8 Interceptions: 1.4 Rating: 64.66 Sacked: 3.2 Other interesting stats of note to consider: Games without a TD pass: NINE Games without an intercept: TWO Games with fewer than 100 yards passing: THREE Games with more than 300 yards passing: ONE Games with 50% or lower completions: SIX Games with 67% or better completions: THREE Games with one sack or less: THREE Games with 4 sacks or more: SEVEN Games with 3 or more TD passes: ONE Games with 3 or more interceptions: FOUR The points "EXPLOSION" had much to do with the quality of opposition and little to do with Drew Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Drew Bledsoe's stats in the games against teams with either 10 or more wins OR who made playoffs: Way to distort the facts. The stats you're quoting are from ALL THREE SEASONS (most of which had TH starting), and NOT just the games with WM. Try again. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinVA Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Drew Bledsoe's stats in the games against teams with either 10 or more wins OR who made playoffs: 364302[/snapback] Let us not forget that the Rams and Seahawks were included in those stats. they may have made the playoffs, but they weren't playoff teams IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Let us not forget that the Rams and Seahawks were included in those stats. they may have made the playoffs, but they weren't playoff teams IMO. 364348[/snapback] Ahh, the age-old argument -- "If you count only the games that we played badly in, we were bad!" CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Way to distort the facts. The stats you're quoting are from ALL THREE SEASONS (most of which had TH starting), and NOT just the games with WM. Try again. CW 364346[/snapback] Nice catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Let us not forget that the Rams and Seahawks were included in those stats. they may have made the playoffs, but they weren't playoff teams IMO. 364348[/snapback] Maybe, but the Seahags were playing well at that point and it was on the road, on the west coast, in a city where I recall us playing one good game in about 20 years. And Bledsoe came out throwing, and threw very well, and we were up a ton before we even started running. That game is a bad example. I do, of course, think Bledsoe had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Way to distort the facts. The stats you're quoting are from ALL THREE SEASONS (most of which had TH starting), and NOT just the games with WM. Try again. CW 364346[/snapback] I know they are. Doesn't change the basic point or make you or Bill's little crusade to defend the very mediocre play of the chronically overhyped Drew Bledsoe. Tick, tick, tick, tick, ring, ring, ring, pat, pat, pat, SACK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinVA Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Ahh, the age-old argument -- "If you count only the games that we played badly in, we were bad!" CW 364350[/snapback] I don't recall us playing bad in either of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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