Is it time to put out an Amber Alert on Dalton Kincaid?

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 2:01 AM, Not at the table Karlos said:

He’s been hurt, Knox is back and we’ve ran the ball more.

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Yup, shoulder problems. I'm not worried in the least, myself.

 

Week 7 43 snaps

Week 8 58 snaps

Week 9 52 snaps

Week 10 41 snaps

Week 11 51 snaps

Week 12 58 snaps

bye

Week 14 60 snaps 

Week 15 33 snaps

Week 16 2 snaps

 

This ain't mysterious. He's injured, he's getting fewer snaps.

 

He'll be fine.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 3:29 PM, FireChans said:

They are a prime example of players at the same position having better seasons as rookies AND better careers taken after the Bills pick. 

 

I think you can understand the parallel I’m drawing there. 

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Yes, we do.

 

It's called cherry picking. And shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

More, it's dumb cherry picking, comparing guys taken at #4, #7 and #12 and with complete ingenuousness wondering who can imagine why they might be better early in their careers than a guy picked at #25 who plays a position where guys genuinely start slower in their first years than do WRs recently.

 

Just pathetic.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Heitz]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:34 PM, Augie said:

OK, who is with me hoping Kincaid has 14 catches for 180 yards and 3 TD’s today???  😋

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I approve of this message 👍👍

 

HNY Auggie 🙌  

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:44 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes, we do.

 

It's called cherry picking. And shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

More, it's dumb cherry picking, comparing guys taken at 4, #7 and #12 and with complete ingenuousness wondering who can imagine why they might be better early in their careers than a guy picked at #25 who plays a position where guys genuinely start slower in their first years than do WRs recently.

 

Just pathetic.

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I’m comparing WR’s to WR’s. 
 

I think you missed the point a bit here.

[jethro_tull]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:03 PM, Mr Wild said:

 

Did you know Kincaid has the 6th most catches all time for a rookie TE?

 

Did you know that Kincaid has 1-2 games less then everyone on that list ahead of him?

 

Did you know that non of those teams had a 2nd TE taking receptions as well?

 

Did you know Laporta which is the only reason for this post has had 40 more targets (81 rec 113 targets)? while Kincaid has 62 rec on 76 targets

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Love Dalton and he is going to be a star but my pick was LaPorta going into the draft.  He plays much more physically which DK needs to become.  

Edited December 31, 2023 by jethro_tull

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:45 PM, FireChans said:

I’m comparing WR’s to WR’s. 
 

I think you missed the point a bit here.

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I see. So somebody (you?) tried to hijack a Kincaid thread, and here I was assuming that in that Kincaid thread you might be talking about Kincaid? My bad. Should've figured you might have been completely off the point into the weeds.

 

So I may well have missed the point, since I only looked at your post and not the ones you were replying to.

 

Still, you were absolutely cherry picking as I suggested. Not to mention completely off the point talking about a different position and a different Bills regime.

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:50 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I see. So somebody (you?) tried to hijack a Kincaid thread, and here I was assuming that in that Kincaid thread you might be talking about Kincaid? My bad. Should've figured you might have been completely off the point into the weeds.

 

So I may well have missed the point, since I only looked at your post and not the ones you were replying to.

 

Still, you were absolutely cherry picking as I suggested. Not to mention completely off the point talking about a different position and a different Bills regime.

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Hijack? It was an example of the Bills drafting a player who had a “good” rookie season all things considered, but his peers who played the same position and were drafted later than them had “great” rookie seasons and greater careers.

 

I’m not sure how that’s cherry picking unless you’re willfully missing the point.

 

You seem kinda overly hostile to have any kind of meaningful discussion here anyway. Adios.

[Heitz]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:03 PM, Mr Wild said:

 

Did you know Kincaid has the 6th most catches all time for a rookie TE?

 

Did you know that Kincaid has 1-2 games less then everyone on that list ahead of him?

 

Did you know that non of those teams had a 2nd TE taking receptions as well?

 

Did you know Laporta which is the only reason for this post has had 40 more targets (81 rec 113 targets)? while Kincaid has 62 rec on 76 targets

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Imagine if dude were *good* 🤔

 

🤣  

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 5:55 PM, FireChans said:

Hijack? It was an example of the Bills drafting a player who had a “good” rookie season all things considered, but his peers who played the same position and were drafted later than them had “great” rookie seasons and greater careers.

 

I’m not sure how that’s cherry picking unless you’re willfully missing the point.

 

You seem kinda overly hostile to have any kind of meaningful discussion here anyway. Adios.

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You are absolutely cracking me up here.

 

That's precisely the definition of cherry picking. You search till you find the examples that fit your narrative and you ignore all other examples. 

 

Specifically squarely and strictly cherry-picking, not to mention that the Watkins pick was nearly a decade ago and has absolutely nothing to do with this regime. Kinda sad, and an on the nose case of cherry-picking.

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Thurman#1

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:00 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You are absolutely cracking me up here.

 

That's precisely the definition of cherry picking. You search till you find the examples that fit your narrative and you ignore all other examples. 

 

Specifically squarely and strictly cherry-picking, not to mention that the Watkins pick was nearly a decade ago and has absolutely nothing to do with this regime. Kinda sad, and an on the nose case of cherry-picking.

 

And I totally understand why you'd wanna say Adios here. I'd do it to if the discussion was going for me the way it's going for you.

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I mean there’s loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and being outperformed.

 

I can probably give you five off the top of my head.

 

Josh Allen would be one, compared to Baker and Darnold. 
 

Is that cherry picking to say that happens around the league? I’m not sure you even understand what’s being discussed, let alone what is being cherry-picked to support it.

 

Go ahead and try to tell me what my point is. I bet you can’t lmao.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Dorsey wanted 12 personnel 

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:04 PM, FireChans said:

I mean there’s loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and being outperformed.

 

I can probably give you five off the top of my head.

 

Josh Allen would be one, compared to Baker and Darnold. 
 

Is that cherry picking to say that happens around the league? I’m not sure you even understand what’s being discussed, let alone what is being cherry-picked to support it.

 

Go ahead and try to tell me what my point is. I bet you can’t lmao.

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There are indeed loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and being outperformed.

 

There are also loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and outperforming them.

 

Strangely, you didn't mention any of those cases, the ones that didn't fit your narrative.

 

Which is what cherry-picking is.

 

And again, you had to go back nine years to find your example there.

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Thurman#1

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:44 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

There are indeed loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and being outperformed.

 

There are also loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and outperforming them.

 

Strangely, you didn't mention any of the cases that didn't fit your narrative.

 

Which is what cherry-picking is.

 

And again, you had to go back nine years to find your example there.

 

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What was my point?

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:45 PM, FireChans said:

What was my point?

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Sorry, it was a very stupid point about Super Bowl windows. 

[muppy]

well Daltons number has been called twice so far and both times passes uncatchable

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:47 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, it was a very stupid point about Super Bowl windows. 

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What was my point

[Thurman#1]

He's right. FAs can be much better targeted for present needs.

 

Drafts are more for the future, particularly as good teams draft later and thus tend to get guys who are not as football ready.

 

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:49 PM, FireChans said:

What was my point

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Oh, sorry. Even you're confused, hunh? I'll give you some time to go back and see if you can find something salvageable there.

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:49 PM, Thurman#1 said:

He's right. FAs can be much better targeted for present needs.

 

Drafts are more for the future, particularly as good teams draft later and thus tend to get guys who are not as football ready.

 

 

 

Oh, sorry. Even you're confused, hunh? I'll give you some time to go back and see if you can find something salvageable there.

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My point, because you’re clearly confused and aggressive, was that I don’t WANT Kincaid to be the outperformed player, lol.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

  On 12/31/2023 at 6:51 PM, FireChans said:

My point, because you’re clearly confused and aggressive, was that I don’t WANT Kincaid to be the outperformed player, lol.

 

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Oh. Well, you might want to make your point clearer then.

 

None of us actively want that. Not that it matters much. What matters is whether Kincaid is good, not how he compares to a guy with a somewhat different skill set on a different roster with a different scheme.

 

Kincaid shows every sign of being very very good in our scheme with our guys.

 

LaPorta's good too. Which is pretty much irrelevant to me and I think most Bills fans. Though so far I like watching him play as well.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Thurman#1

[FireChans]

  On 12/31/2023 at 12:57 PM, FireChans said:

Just once, I would like our player to be having a crazy awesome season, not be the “also ran” to another players’ crazy awesome season 

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  On 12/31/2023 at 6:54 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Oh. Well, you might want to make your point clearer then.

 

None of us actively want that. Not that it matters much. What matters is whether Kincaid is good, not how he compares to a guy with a somewhat different skill set on a different roster with a different scheme.

 

Kincaid shows every sign of being very very good in our scheme with our guys.

 

LaPorta's good too. Which is pretty much irrelevant to me and I think most Bills fans. Though so far I like watching him play as well.

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I made it obvious. 
 

If you had a question about my point, you could’ve asked about it, instead of being hyper-aggressive for no reason at all.