BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Vickers goes from PS to out snapping Settle and Phillips. Dodson way more snaps that Dorian Williams (seems like I saw Williams way more). Rapp didn't see a snap. Feels like this game should have seen less Cook and more Harris/Murray as well. Edited October 9, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) I’m nearly positive Vickers was lining up at DE. Rapp should’ve seen the field, I felt Poyer struggled. Benching Elam isn’t shocking, but kind of is. Dodson and Williams seemed to split (ish) OLB, both looked solid. Edited October 9, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’m nearly positive Vickers was lining up at DE. I thought I saw that as well. I'm sure a few snaps were there. The Bills D also plays mind tricks (on me at least) because both Floyd and Miller play DE in a 2 point stance. Gives the look that the DT on that side is at DE. *** EDIT Just did the math. Miller, Floyd, AJE and Johnathan accounted for 151 snaps...I assume all at DE. With 88 plays run that would be 176 total DE snaps. So, yea Vickers getting 46 would (again assumption here) likely account for the rest with a 25 @ DE and 21 @ DT type split. Edited October 9, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 That picture of Von on the front page of the Buffalo News this morning. Honestly, he looks like a disabled person trying to go around the edge with a big ol knee brace on. I'm not sure why they are using a roster spot on him. Seems like a waste. He's nowhere close to 100% and may not be this season. I suppose he wanted to dip his toes in the water as he said after the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I’m disappointed we didn’t see any 3 safety looks with all the injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 i don't get why we pitch count miller on turf when rosseau is out. glad others showed up on DL. but knowing this it would have been nice to have kept eli enoku instead of activating miller to the 53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 This DL will go as far as Oliver, Rousseau, Floyd and Epenesa take it. As far as Von goes, the hope I have is that we can get him back to 90% of what he was early last season by the time the Playoffs roll around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Vickers goes from PS to out snapping Settle and Phillips. Dodson way more snaps that Dorian Williams (seems like I saw Williams way more). Rapp didn't see a snap. Feels like this game should have seen less Cook and more Harris/Murray as well. Most of Vickers's snaps came at edge from what I saw. Was a result of Von being on a strict pitch count, Jonathan getting hurt and Floyd being nicked up too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, zow2 said: That picture of Von on the front page of the Buffalo News this morning. Honestly, he looks like a disabled person trying to go around the edge with a big ol knee brace on. I'm not sure why they are using a roster spot on him. Seems like a waste. He's nowhere close to 100% and may not be this season. I suppose he wanted to dip his toes in the water as he said after the game. Honestly if you expected him to go from 0 to 100 his first time on the field then you set yourself up for failure. He had no training camp, no preseason and hasn't played in an actual game since the injury. He needs time to get into game shape. That's reality, it was an acl tear not a minor injury here. Regardless of how young any player is coming off an acl tear there is a ramp up period and usually a hard pitch count. So the overreaction to the way Von looked yesterday is just plain ridiculous at this point. He needs game reps, actual in game reps so saying we wasted a roster spot on him is wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Von should have sat this one out. Should have used this next game as his "walk through" game. He did nothing out there. That is on the coaches to recognize that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, BillzFreak said: Honestly if you expected him to go from 0 to 100 his first time on the field then you set yourself up for failure. He had no training camp, no preseason and hasn't played in an actual game since the injury. He needs time to get into game shape. That's reality, it was an acl tear not a minor injury here. Regardless of how young any player is coming off an acl tear there is a ramp up period and usually a hard pitch count. So the overreaction to the way Von looked yesterday is just plain ridiculous at this point. He needs game reps, actual in game reps so saying we wasted a roster spot on him is wrong. I had zero illusions of Von going from 0 to 100. Quite honestly I don't think he will even be close to 75% all season. I'd keep him off the active roster until late in the season so he could get a game or two in before a potential first playoff game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I was really worried he got hurt when he went out with a hat on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 But with the players we have lost we need him sooner then we did. Yeah in a perfect senerio I would of agreed with you're plan but the mounting injuries to key players means we need you and need you asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just a hunch on my part, Von is a goner after next year, and his time as a Bill will be viewed as a huge waste of cap space. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, ngbills said: Von should have sat this one out. Should have used this next game as his "walk through" game. He did nothing out there. That is on the coaches to recognize that. So, he should have used the next game as a walk through to do nothing? Questions...how was he moving in practices last week? Was he tentative? Moving fluidly? Did he report any discomfort or pain after practice? How did the any re-evals on the knee look? Did the do re-evals? What his mindset about contact and where he's at mentally for game situations? I mean, since you seem to know what's what and you recognized things in 20 snaps and all. Please expound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: Just a hunch on my part, Von is a goner after next year, and his time as a Bill will be viewed as a huge waste of cap space. Maybe or maybe not, it all depends if Von eventually shows flashes of getting back to wat he was before his injury here. But basing that after 20 snaps in his 1st football game back since a acl tear is definitely jumping to a conclusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: Maybe or maybe not, it all depends if Von eventually shows flashes of getting back to wat he was before his injury here. But basing that after 20 snaps in his 1st football game back since a acl tear is definitely jumping to a conclusion. Who said I was basing it on Mr 94.5% performance yesterday? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: This DL will go as far as Oliver, Rousseau, Floyd and Epenesa take it. As far as Von goes, the hope I have is that we can get him back to 90% of what he was early last season by the time the Playoffs roll around. As long as Settle and Ford don't hurt us, we should be fine. We won't have the dominant play that Jones provided but just be Vernon Butler bad and will can keep the ship afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Who said I was basing it on Mr 94.5% performance yesterday? Not me. So you're saying what then exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: So you're saying what then exactly? That I was never a fan of the signing. Do I need to explain more? Edited October 9, 2023 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: Maybe or maybe not, it all depends if Von eventually shows flashes of getting back to wat he was before his injury here. But basing that after 20 snaps in his 1st football game back since a acl tear is definitely jumping to a conclusion. He’ll be a 35 PLUS yr old DL next year. He’s on the backend of his career. Likely best to cut bait. Edited October 9, 2023 by PayDaBill$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: That I was never a fan of the signing. Do I need to explain more? Nope you're opinion is you're opinion and you have every right to it. Just now, PayDaBill$ said: He’ll be a 35 PLUS yr old DL next year. He’s on the backend of his career. Likely best to cut bait. He’ll be a 35 PLUS yr old DL next year. He’s on the backend of his career. Likely best to cut bait. Again like I told the other guy that's you're opinion and have every right to state it, I'm in the let's see how he looks after a few games other then...it's completely over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: So, he should have used the next game as a walk through to do nothing? Questions...how was he moving in practices last week? Was he tentative? Moving fluidly? Did he report any discomfort or pain after practice? How did the any re-evals on the knee look? Did the do re-evals? What his mindset about contact and where he's at mentally for game situations? I mean, since you seem to know what's what and you recognized things in 20 snaps and all. Please expound. My point is the NYG game, one that is not in London and vs a much worse team would have been a better game to ease Miller back into. It seemed like not only was there a snap count but he was also playing careful out there just trying to get back on the filed but not do too much. The next game would have been a better time for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: Nope you're opinion is you're opinion and you have every right to it. Again like I told the other guy that's you're opinion and have every right to state it, I'm in the let's see how he looks after a few games other then...it's completely over. Opinion? Look at him yesterday @ almost 34 1/2 & coming off a difficult injury he’s nowhere near ready to go. Next year? How many almost 35-36 year old d lineman are making an impact in this league? Not too difficult to see where this is going. Edited October 9, 2023 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Based on his resume, history and prestige…I’m giving Von the benefit of the doubt here. No need to scrutinize his return to action because he didn’t have a sack fumble and 3 TFLs. I also agree the signing will be a burden (it already has been) as we continue to try to make it to the holy land. That being said, I think this man has earned a bit of patience from the fan base to give us what we signed him to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: Opinion? Look at him yesterday @ almost 34 1/2 & coming off a difficult injury he’s nowhere near ready to go. Next year? How many almost 35-36 year old d lineman are making an impact in this league? Not too difficult to see where this is going. Yes looking at 20 snaps from a guy who hasn't played ANY football since his injury tells me everything lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: Yes looking at 20 snaps from a guy who hasn't played ANY football since his injury tells me everything lol. Well answer my question above about aging DL players making an impact? Campbell @ age 37. Maybe there a few +|- other dudes that are still playing at that age (35-37) but difference makers? Unfortunately we have a lot of coin tied up in Von. We needed to see production & playoff results on the front end of his contract to make this signing worthwhile! Again at almost 36 next year……that’s a tough ask. Von was brought here to get us a closer to a championship. So far, it’s looking like a bust. Edited October 9, 2023 by PayDaBill$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’m disappointed we didn’t see any 3 safety looks with all the injuries. That’s not something you can just jump in and out of on a whim. It completely changes the base of the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, ngbills said: My point is the NYG game, one that is not in London and vs a much worse team would have been a better game to ease Miller back into. It seemed like not only was there a snap count but he was also playing careful out there just trying to get back on the filed but not do too much. The next game would have been a better time for that. So, you have no answers and have no idea what the coaches or Von saw that made that game the comeback time. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 58 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Just a hunch on my part, Von is a goner after next year, and his time as a Bill will be viewed as a huge waste of cap space. I hear you—but who’s to say Von’s mentoring/tutelage of our DLine especially with Groot and AJ isn’t what maybe helped to unlock the solid contributions they’ve both been making? A lot of us were ready to see AJ go, and worried that Groot wasn’t getting up to speed fast enough—now look at them! Also, we saw what a force Von was before his injury. All that just to say I don’t blame Beane for the splash move, we needed impact on tbe Dline desperately, and he addressed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: That’s not something you can just jump in and out of on a whim. It completely changes the base of the defense. I know. I’m disappointed it’s not part of the defense. It’s been discussed for years, having a 3 safety look. That was a good time to use it. Tells me it’s not in their plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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