How will the defense be different this year?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

You still keep trying to site a whopping 2 games as an indication of your bias vs the body of evidence.   You can believe whatever you want. 

LOL no I’m not.

You seem to think if a team doesn’t make the playoffs, they have a rookie or back up QB lol.  
 

We beat 3 teams that made the playoffs last year.  Ravens, Chiefs and Dolphins.  Should have been 4 but we couldn’t execute a simple QB/C exchange against the Vikes.  The Chiefs beat 4 playoff teams last year in the regular season.

 

So you honestly believe we won 10 games against back ups and rookies last year?  Is that what you really believe?

[ColoradoBills]

19 hours ago, Billl said:

Very similar to the last several seasons schematically.  Anyone who thinks Frazier was going rogue and doing things that McDermott was opposed to is delusional.

 

"Going rogue" would be the last 2 words I would use for Frazier's play calling.  As for the term "delusional", I would use that for any fan

that thinks Sean is calling the D only because Frazier will be back calling the Buffalo Bills defense next season.

 

Frazier is out because he is too predictable, and Sean will call the plays this year while training one of the assistants to take over next season.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

You still keep trying to site a whopping 2 games as an indication of your bias vs the body of evidence.   You can believe whatever you want. 

They had damn well better not being paying all this money to Von and using multiple 1st and second round picks as edge setters.  I’m all for interior pressure, but if they misuse the personnel that way, everyone should be fired.  If that’s the plan, no more games, obviously the coaches and the GM can’t get in the same page and it’s just pissing in the wind.  Especially after adding Floyd. 

Every good defense sets the edge. Containing the edge does not mean that they don't rush the passer but it does mean that the edge guys won't be driving inside and letting the QB escape the pocket to the outside. The idea is to use the outside rush to get the passer or to force the QB to step up into the pocket and collapse it on him.  It's the disciplined approach that McD used in Carolina and I expect to see him use it when he is running the defense this year.  Freelance pass rushers can give up big plays if they gamble and don't get the QB.  Miller is one of the best at controlling the edge while generating pressure on the QB (thus the big contract).

[Jerome007]

22 hours ago, drummernut74 said:

Creative and timely blitzing, more unpredictable, quicker adapting to what offenses are doing, more CB challenge at the line of scrimmage 

Well, what exactly was McD doing all week if the offense was mostly run by Daboll and then by Dorsey? Frasier was calling the plays on D, but rumor has it that McD was heavily involved. Adjusting on the fly during the game is important, but overall how could the approach be that different?

[TBBills Fan]

Here is what I miss, CREATIVITY

 

I think maybe it was Brady, when talking about our D, and he basically said its tough to play against us because we show the same look and play so many different coverages and its all really well disguised....

 

I feel like we got away from that and just played the same damn way play after play and week after week.

[BigAl2526]

We are going to see some creative zone blitzing.  I don't think McDermott's philosophy is to "bring the house" very much, but he'll definitely blitz more than Frazier.   It helps that the secondary might be really good this season.  That is something of an assumption, based on a hopes that Tre White will be back to the form of earlier in his career, Hyde and Poyer can stay healthy and the young CBs (Elam, Benson and Jackson can continue developing).  

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL no I’m not.

You seem to think if a team doesn’t make the playoffs, they have a rookie or back up QB lol.  
 

We beat 3 teams that made the playoffs last year.  Ravens, Chiefs and Dolphins.  Should have been 4 but we couldn’t execute a simple QB/C exchange against the Vikes.  The Chiefs beat 4 playoff teams last year in the regular season.

 

So you honestly believe we won 10 games against back ups and rookies last year?  Is that what you really believe?

Let’s get a break down for you week by week:

 

1) W vs Rams - Rams finished 5-12 

 

2) W vs Titans - 7 Win team

 

3) L vs Phins

 

4) W vs Ravens - let up 20 pts, did a good job vs Jackson.  Credible win.

 

5) W vs Pitt - rookie QB

 

6) W vs Chiefs -  best game of the year.

 

7) W vs Packers - hot garbage team, especially at that point in year 3-5 at that point.

 

8:  L- Jets to Zach Wilson no less

 

9) L - Vikes - gave up 33

 

10) W - Browns - back up QB

 

11) W - Lions - 4-7 team at the time.

 

12) W- Pats-  .500 team and Mac Jones.. so basically a back up

 

13) W - Jets - back up QB

 

14) W - Dolphins gave up 29 to Tuna

 

15) W vs Bears 3-12 team 

 

16) Cancelled - getting slapped early by Cinci 

 

17) W - Pats 8-9 team 

18) W - Dolphins 3rd string QB gave up 31.

 

19) L - dismantled by Bengals.

 

So there ya go, you have an entire season laid out for you, this team beat 3 credible teams the whole year and got a lot of points hung in them in those games as well. 
 

For 2021, 9 of the 12 Wins came against teams with a rookie QB or a back up QB.   This vaunted D is a myth.  2022 had 4 rookies or back-ups for wins.  There is a reason this D gets exposed every year in the playoffs, they have had super soft competition, year in and year out.  8 wins this year vs sub .500 teams..  

 

So yeah, this D has thrived on Rookies, back-ups and trash.   They have all of 3 Quality wins all of 2023 and really only 2 for 2021 if you count the first playoff game.   

 

[BullBuchanan]

Well, we're probably starting a Safety at MLB, so that'll be interesting.

[Fleezoid]

7 hours ago, T master said:

I'd say given the signings that Beane has done the D will be delicious this season to say the least . 

 

Adding Floyd and Rapp then with Myka & Po being healthy this D could be a hole lot better in getting to the QB & causing havoc for other teams, they have been really good in the past when it comes to stats but with these additions it could be much better in play than stats .

 

I watched some of last seasons games & Edmunds was decent but it seemed every cli[ i saw him late to the tackle or missed completely & i think the MLB could even be better if the new kid Williams as long as he has better instincts & can pick up the D quick with Klien's help .

 

I hope you're not implying other teams will eat them up. If it happens, it would be very disappointing.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Let’s get a break down for you week by week:

 

1) W vs Rams - Rams finished 5-12 

 

2) W vs Titans - 7 Win team

 

3) L vs Phins

 

4) W vs Ravens - let up 20 pts, did a good job vs Jackson.  Credible win.

 

5) W vs Pitt - rookie QB

 

6) W vs Chiefs -  best game of the year.

 

7) W vs Packers - hot garbage team, especially at that point in year 3-5 at that point.

 

8:  L- Jets to Zach Wilson no less

 

9) L - Vikes - gave up 33

 

10) W - Browns - back up QB

 

11) W - Lions - 4-7 team at the time.

 

12) W- Pats-  .500 team and Mac Jones.. so basically a back up

 

13) W - Jets - back up QB

 

14) W - Dolphins gave up 29 to Tuna

 

15) W vs Bears 3-12 team 

 

16) Cancelled - getting slapped early by Cinci 

 

17) W - Pats 8-9 team 

18) W - Dolphins 3rd string QB gave up 31.

 

19) L - dismantled by Bengals.

 

So there ya go, you have an entire season laid out for you, this team beat 3 credible teams the whole year and got a lot of points hung in them in those games as well. 
 

For 2021, 9 of the 12 Wins came against teams with a rookie QB or a back up QB.   This vaunted D is a myth.  2022 had 4 rookies or back-ups for wins.  There is a reason this D gets exposed every year in the playoffs, they have had super soft competition, year in and year out.  8 wins this year vs sub .500 teams..  

 

So yeah, this D has thrived on Rookies, back-ups and trash.   They have all of 3 Quality wins all of 2023 and really only 2 for 2021 if you count the first playoff game.   

 

 

You went through all that and it's all meaningless lol.

 

Most teams do not make the playoffs.  Most teams do not have franchise QB's.  Every good team in the NFL faces mostly bad to average teams with a few big games a year.  Unless you think teams like the Chiefs and Eagles play nothing but playoff teams in the regular season lol.

 

Wanna know a cool stat?

The Chiefs beat 9 teams last year sub .500.

The Eagles beat 8 teams last year sub .500

Both of them trash?  Let me guess...only for the Bills.

 

Do we discredit the Pats because they had two teams in their divisions with long playoff draughts.  The Bills at 17 years, the Jets currently at 12 years and the Dolphins made the playoffs a few times in Brady's reign.  That was at least 5 easy wins for them every year.

 

So we've beaten the teams that we are supposed to and yet you criticize lol.  

You cherry picked a different reason why each win was meaningless lol....just reaching and reaching and reaching.

 

"Lions 4-7 at the time" - well they did win 5 out of their last 6 after the Bills including beating the Jags by 3 scores.  They were also 5th in the league in scoring.

Let me guess...5th in the league in scoring means you're trash.

 

Yeah the Rams were a 5-12 team but that kinda happens when you lose Aaron Donald, Cooper Cupp and Matt Stafford.  They were at full stretch game 1 against us.  

 

The defense didn't give up 33 to the Vikings.  If Josh Allen fumbles the ball in the endzone and the Vikings recover it, that doesn't count against our defense.

I know you will try to argue that it does but it doesn't.  The defense also stopped the Vikings on 4th down to give us the ball back.  And Allen had one of his worst games of the season with 3 turnovers.

 

The defense didn't give up 31 to the Dolphins in the playoffs.  Again, when Allen fumbles the ball and the Dolphins player recovers it in the end zone, that doesn't count against our defense.  Lets also talk about the two other turnovers that gave the Dolphins the ball in the redzone and the other at the 40.  Not to mention a punt return in the redzone. 

The Dolphins also played terribly on offense.  Skylar Thompson was 18 of 45.  Wilson was their leading rusher with 23 yards total.  Hill was their leading WR with 69 yards.  

They were 4 of 16 on 3rd down.  They had 230 total yards and averaged 3.3 yards per play.  

You're right, the defense was awful.

 

 

 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You went through all that and it's all meaningless lol.

 

Most teams do not make the playoffs.  Most teams do not have franchise QB's.  Every good team in the NFL faces mostly bad to average teams with a few big games a year.  Unless you think teams like the Chiefs and Eagles play nothing but playoff teams in the regular season lol.

 

Wanna know a cool stat?

The Chiefs beat 9 teams last year sub .500.

The Eagles beat 8 teams last year sub .500

Both of them trash?  Let me guess...only for the Bills.

 

Do we discredit the Pats because they had two teams in their divisions with long playoff draughts.  The Bills at 17 years, the Jets currently at 12 years and the Dolphins made the playoffs a few times in Brady's reign.  That was at least 5 easy wins for them every year.

 

So we've beaten the teams that we are supposed to and yet you criticize lol.  

You cherry picked a different reason why each win was meaningless lol....just reaching and reaching and reaching.

 

"Lions 4-7 at the time" - well they did win 5 out of their last 6 after the Bills including beating the Jags by 3 scores.  They were also 5th in the league in scoring.

Let me guess...5th in the league in scoring means you're trash.

 

Yeah the Rams were a 5-12 team but that kinda happens when you lose Aaron Donald, Cooper Cupp and Matt Stafford.  They were at full stretch game 1 against us.  

 

The defense didn't give up 33 to the Vikings.  If Josh Allen fumbles the ball in the endzone and the Vikings recover it, that doesn't count against our defense.

I know you will try to argue that it does but it doesn't.  The defense also stopped the Vikings on 4th down to give us the ball back.  And Allen had one of his worst games of the season with 3 turnovers.

 

The defense didn't give up 31 to the Dolphins in the playoffs.  Again, when Allen fumbles the ball and the Dolphins player recovers it in the end zone, that doesn't count against our defense.  Lets also talk about the two other turnovers that gave the Dolphins the ball in the redzone and the other at the 40.  Not to mention a punt return in the redzone. 

The Dolphins also played terribly on offense.  Skylar Thompson was 18 of 45.  Wilson was their leading rusher with 23 yards total.  Hill was their leading WR with 69 yards.  

They were 4 of 16 on 3rd down.  They had 230 total yards and averaged 3.3 yards per play.  

You're right, the defense was awful.

 

 

 

Can you please provide a picture of yourself to the folks at Webster Dictionary?  They have decided to add it to the definition of “Homer”.   They plan to add in context of being unable to accept obvious facts, when presented in a clear and easy to understand format. 

[Royale with Cheese]

34 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Can you please provide a picture of yourself to the folks at Webster Dictionary?  They have decided to add it to the definition of “Homer”.   They plan to add in context of being unable to accept obvious facts, when presented in a clear and easy to understand format. 

Lol…right.

Lets just revisit your the defense will take a major step back statement in 6 months. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well, we're probably starting a Safety at MLB, so that'll be interesting.

Might be the future of the game.  The field should be full of big guys on the line or little fast guys in pass coverage.  This hybrid LB concept is becoming dated.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Can you please provide a picture of yourself to the folks at Webster Dictionary?  They have decided to add it to the definition of “Homer”.   They plan to add in context of being unable to accept obvious facts, when presented in a clear and easy to understand format. 

 

You're being hyperbolic and partisan. You aren't able to see the Bills objectively; it's all ego and polarized opinion and opposing "sides" with you. 

 

Imagine treating sports as a platform for tribal debate. So joyless and narcissistic. 

 

Consider focusing on the actual sport and all its variable, quantum chessboard violence. Open yourself to the possibilities of fluid uncertainty. Celebrate and dissect what actually happens, rather than your own narrative/prediction of what WILL happen. To do so, one must be willing and able to remove one's head entirely from one's own backside.

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Lol…right.

Lets just revisit your the defense will take a major step back statement in 6 months. 

 

It's also lame, or even cowardly, to predict that a top defense will statistically decline YoY. Because that's a likely outcome. Historically, team defensive rankings are fairly inconsistent YoY when compared to offense. So the quoted poster could likely be right without actually proving or knowing anything. 

[drummernut74]

16 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Well, what exactly was McD doing all week if the offense was mostly run by Daboll and then by Dorsey? Frasier was calling the plays on D, but rumor has it that McD was heavily involved. Adjusting on the fly during the game is important, but overall how could the approach be that different?

Overseeing the family love fest and coaching people to be the best versions of themselves ... Coordinators included

[stlbills13]

I think you'll see more creativity, more aggression, and less predictability. Partly because the defensive has to be healthier (fingers crossed) and because there is more depth. The real question for me though is what will be different in the playoffs. That's where the defense has failed the past two seasons. You have to be able to get pressure with 4 guys against Burrow and Mahomes or you have to be really creative and disguise everything you do. 

[Dillenger4]

11 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Can you please provide a picture of yourself to the folks at Webster Dictionary?  They have decided to add it to the definition of “Homer”.   They plan to add in context of being unable to accept obvious facts, when presented in a clear and easy to understand format. 

Holy Cow Bills Fans. DCof NC just. GOT. WRECKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

It's also lame, or even cowardly, to predict that a top defense will statistically decline YoY. Because that's a likely outcome. Historically, team defensive rankings are fairly inconsistent YoY when compared to offense. So the quoted poster could likely be right without actually proving or knowing anything. 

Or you could look at the facts and recognize the ratings have been achieved against inferior talent.  Then also recognize the level of competition has been raised for this coming year and the overall talent of this team has decreased after free agency.   Enjoy the beach life, I’m sure the sand feels nice over your head.

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Lol…right.

Lets just revisit your the defense will take a major step back statement in 6 months. 

I’ll be patiently waiting. 

[gordong]

I suspect we will have a real pass rush this year and so the defense will actually improve as the year goes on. (barring the dreaded injuries which all the whiners seem to ignore. I one point for a couple games we played two rookies and two backups in the secondary. having both safeties healthy and white much closer to his true form is going to help significantly.  as well as getting von back. 

[dma0034]

17 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Let’s get a break down for you week by week:

 

1) W vs Rams - Rams finished 5-12 

 

2) W vs Titans - 7 Win team

 

3) L vs Phins

 

4) W vs Ravens - let up 20 pts, did a good job vs Jackson.  Credible win.

 

5) W vs Pitt - rookie QB

 

6) W vs Chiefs -  best game of the year.

 

7) W vs Packers - hot garbage team, especially at that point in year 3-5 at that point.

 

8:  L- Jets to Zach Wilson no less

 

9) L - Vikes - gave up 33

 

10) W - Browns - back up QB

 

11) W - Lions - 4-7 team at the time.

 

12) W- Pats-  .500 team and Mac Jones.. so basically a back up

 

13) W - Jets - back up QB

 

14) W - Dolphins gave up 29 to Tuna

 

15) W vs Bears 3-12 team 

 

16) Cancelled - getting slapped early by Cinci 

 

17) W - Pats 8-9 team 

18) W - Dolphins 3rd string QB gave up 31.

 

19) L - dismantled by Bengals.   

 

 

 

Holy Cherry Picking Batman. Ignore that the Rams were healthy week 1. The Titans were healthy week 2. Jacoby Brissett played better than Watson last year. The Lions were turning it around at the time. 

 

Trust me: I've been saying the Defense has been over-rated for years but let's not just create a narrative that they just beat terrible teams

[DCofNC]

5 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

 

Holy Cherry Picking Batman. Ignore that the Rams were healthy week 1. The Titans were healthy week 2. Jacoby Brissett played better than Watson last year. The Lions were turning it around at the time. 

 

Trust me: I've been saying the Defense has been over-rated for years but let's not just create a narrative that they just beat terrible teams

The Rams did nothing all year, healthy or not. The Titans did nothing all year, healthy or not.

The Lions got a win streak going on garbage teams and still missed the playoffs.  Brissett has never been more than a back-up, regardless of Watson being terrible after missing a season and a half.  There is no “Cherry Picking” going on. 
 

In the last 2 seasons, when this D has been “dominant” They have won 12 games against teams with a rookie or Back-up QB.  In that time, they’ve won 5 games against teams over .500.   They have feasted on garbage.  
 

Cheeseburger keeps contradicting himself, trying to blame Allen for scores and then pointing out the teams didn’t put up a lot of yards while scoring 30+, when you have a short field, you don’t go as far to score, but the D still gave up TDs to a 3rd string QB.  The Eagles and the Chiefs beat bad teams too, but ya know what he’s picking them? THEY WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL.  This D gets man handled every year when it counts.  Who gave up a ton of points all game to KC in the playoffs 2021? Was that Allen?  Was it Allen who let them score in 13 Seconds to lose the game after leading the team on an epic comeback?   The narrative is so bad it hurts.   When it counts this D has crumbled.  
 

This year the competition is way stiffer, to expect them to be better after losing more talent than they replenished, fools gold.

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Or you could look at the facts and recognize the ratings have been achieved against inferior talent.  Then also recognize the level of competition has been raised for this coming year and the overall talent of this team has decreased after free agency.   Enjoy the beach life, I’m sure the sand feels nice over your head.

I’ll be patiently waiting. 

 

Chiefs beat 9 teams sub .500 record

Eagles beat 8 teams sub .500 record

That's a fact.  

Why do you only discount the Bills for beating sub .500 teams?

 

 

Also, if you're a top team like the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers....most teams are inferior.  Like the vast majority is inferior.  

Lets just use the Super Bowl Champion Chiefs.

They only play 5 teams that made the playoffs last year.  Would you say with the opponents below, are they going to be superior or inferior team in most of these games?  Will they be favored or not favored in most of these games?

 

Week 1: vs. Lions (TNF)

Week 2: at Jaguars

Week 3: vs. Bears

Week 4: at Jets (SNF)

Week 5: at Vikings

Week 6: vs. Broncos (TNF)

Week 7: vs. Chargers

Week 8: at Broncos

Week 9: vs. Dolphins (Frankfurt)

Week 10: BYE

Week 11: vs. Eagles (MNF)

Week 12: at Raiders

Week 13: at Packers (SNF)

Week 14: vs. Bills

Week 15: at Patriots (MNF)

Week 16: vs. Raiders

Week 17: vs. Bengals

Week 18: at Chargers
TBD 

[DCofNC]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Chiefs beat 9 teams sub .500 record

Eagles beat 8 teams sub .500 record

That's a fact.  

Why do you only discount the Bills for beating sub .500 teams?

 

 

Also, if you're a top team like the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers....most teams are inferior.  Like the vast majority is inferior.  

Lets just use the Super Bowl Champion Chiefs.

They only play 5 teams that made the playoffs last year.  Would you say with the opponents below, are they going to be superior or inferior team in most of these games?  Will they be favored or not favored in most of these games?

 

Week 1: vs. Lions (TNF)

Week 2: at Jaguars

Week 3: vs. Bears

Week 4: at Jets (SNF)

Week 5: at Vikings

Week 6: vs. Broncos (TNF)

Week 7: vs. Chargers

Week 8: at Broncos

Week 9: vs. Dolphins (Frankfurt)

Week 10: BYE

Week 11: vs. Eagles (MNF)

Week 12: at Raiders

Week 13: at Packers (SNF)

Week 14: vs. Bills

Week 15: at Patriots (MNF)

Week 16: vs. Raiders

Week 17: vs. Bengals

Week 18: at Chargers
TBD 

Explain to me, why we are talking about SB Champions when the Bills can’t get there?  Those teams won when it mattered, because their Defense did the job, when it mattered.  Yes they beat up on garbage, but nobody was falsely claiming they were the #1 D in the league either.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

The Rams did nothing all year, healthy or not. The Titans did nothing all year, healthy or not.

The Lions got a win streak going on garbage teams and still missed the playoffs.  Brissett has never been more than a back-up, regardless of Watson being terrible after missing a season and a half.  There is no “Cherry Picking” going on. 
 

In the last 2 seasons, when this D has been “dominant” They have won 12 games against teams with a rookie or Back-up QB.  In that time, they’ve won 5 games against teams over .500.   They have feasted on garbage.  
 

Cheeseburger keeps contradicting himself, trying to blame Allen for scores and then pointing out the teams didn’t put up a lot of yards while scoring 30+, when you have a short field, you don’t go as far to score, but the D still gave up TDs to a 3rd string QB.  The Eagles and the Chiefs beat bad teams too, but ya know what he’s picking them? THEY WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL.  This D gets man handled every year when it counts.  Who gave up a ton of points all game to KC in the playoffs 2021? Was that Allen?  Was it Allen who let them score in 13 Seconds to lose the game after leading the team on an epic comeback?   The narrative is so bad it hurts.   When it counts this D has crumbled.  
 

This year the competition is way stiffer, to expect them to be better after losing more talent than they replenished, fools gold.

 

Here you go again making things up.

 

The Titans did nothing all year???  By week 11, they were 7-3 and holding the #3 seed.  One of those losses was to the Chiefs when Malik Willis was starting at took the Chiefs into overtime in Arrowhead.  

This is a case of you basically lying to make your point "stronger".  

 

The Lions beat 3 playoff teams in their streak lol.  They were a top scoring offense lol.  

[Don Otreply]

On 6/4/2023 at 5:33 PM, Success said:

I don't expect to see a "bend but don't break" philosophy.  I think we'll see more risks - willing to give up a big play to try to make more impact plays on the defensive side.  More press coverage, not laying 8-10 yards off the receiver at the line.  More aggressive blitzing.

 

And I think it will succeed.  Our '23 defense will get more sacks, more INT's, more fumbles, more TFL.

 

Agree on all the stated differences, 

 

Imo, the recent playoff exits stick in McDermott’s craw so to speak, and he thinks to himself, I’ll be damned if it’s happening again. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Explain to me, why we are talking about SB Champions when the Bills can’t get there?  Those teams won when it mattered, because their Defense did the job, when it mattered.  Yes they beat up on garbage, but nobody was falsely claiming they were the #1 D in the league either.

 

It seems that you believe if you win a playoff game, it's because the defense did their job.

Did the Chiefs defense do their job against the Eagles this year when they played in the Super Bowl when they gave up 35?

Did the Chiefs defense do their job against the Bills when they gave up 36?

Or were these offensive shootouts?  I'll let you answer that.

[BullBuchanan]

16 hours ago, gordong said:

I suspect we will have a real pass rush this year and so the defense will actually improve as the year goes on. (barring the dreaded injuries which all the whiners seem to ignore. I one point for a couple games we played two rookies and two backups in the secondary. having both safeties healthy and white much closer to his true form is going to help significantly.  as well as getting von back. 

With what players? The same ones that couldn't generate a pass rush last year are all coming back.