In light of Beane’s weak drafting maybe he should move up in the early rounds.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

9 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

McDermott drafted a third 

This is true BUT!  It was a different front office and scouts that makes a huge difference. Do u think Mcd scouted Tre White? I highly doubt it. U got to give 2017 draft credit to Mcd, Whaley and the rest of his front office and u know what other then Joshie that’s been by far the best draft of the Mcd era and I wish we would’ve kept Whaley and his staff on they were a lot better then Beane and his buddies at drafting they ran circles around them. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Of course not. McDermott did and was probably responsible for trading up for Elan. 

 

It is not unusual for a head coach to have more power than a GM. I can't prove it but imo McDermott has far more power than Beane and some of it needs to be stripped away.

 

Again, jmo.

 

He does have more power than Beane. That is also a fact. McDermott could have Beane fired. Beane could not have McDermott fired. 

 

I do believe McDermott lets Beane run the draft and I think Beane makes the final calls and I think it wae Beane's call to take Elam. But McDermott has a lot of influence on personnel. I don't doubt that.

 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Do you view the regime's six years as a success?

 

BTW, we had many teams on the cusp over that "Last 20 Years" stretch.  I count 9 seasons during that stretch where we were 7-9 to 9-7.  What if Ryan's 8-8 or 7-9 teams had had Allen instead of Taylor, I'm pretty sure we'd have made the playoffs.  Would that then have made Ryan the coach to take us to the Super Bowl and win a championship?  Hardly, but he wouldn't have been fired more than likely, ... because he "made the playoffs."  

 

Or Marrone's last 9-7 season, if instead of Orton he'd had Allen.  Don't you think we'd have won at least one more game and "made the playoffs?"  I do.  IMO we'd have won several more.  Doesn't meant that I think that Marrone was a good HC, he wasn't, never was, and still isn't.  

 

Just sayin' ... 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He does have more power than Beane. That is also a fact. McDermott could have Beane fired. Beane could not have McDermott fired. 

 

I do believe McDermott lets Beane run the draft and I think Beane makes the final calls and I think it wae Beane's call to take Elam. But McDermott has a lot of influence on personnel. I don't doubt that.

 

 

Agreed, and without seeing his contract, which we'll never see, we'll likely never know the details.  But it's obvious when a Head Coach gets to choose his own GM, and that HC selects a guy that really wouldn't qualify anywhere else and who was also on his former team, and as a result that new GM owes everything to his HC.  Common sense.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

BTW, we had many teams on the cusp over that "Last 20 Years" stretch.  I count 9 seasons during that stretch where we were 7-9 to 9-7.  What if Ryan's 8-8 or 7-9 teams had had Allen instead of Taylor, I'm pretty sure we'd have made the playoffs.  Would that then have made Ryan the coach to take us to the Super Bowl and win a championship?  Hardly, but he wouldn't have been fired more than likely, ... because he "made the playoffs."  

 

Or Marrone's last 9-7 season, if instead of Orton he'd had Allen.  Don't you think we'd have won at least one more game and "made the playoffs?"  I do.  IMO we'd have won several more.  Doesn't meant that I think that Marrone was a good HC, he wasn't, never was, and still isn't.  

 

Just sayin' ... 

 

I actually think Doug Marrone did a decent job in Buffalo in terms of building a competitive team and getting the most out of them. 

 

Rex Ryan didn't. He had a really talented roster in 2015. To go 8-8 on an easy schedule with that roster was criminal. If you gave McDermott that roster he'd have won 10 or 11 games even with Tyrod.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Agreed, and without seeing his contract, which we'll never see, we'll likely never know the details.  But it's obvious when a Head Coach gets to choose his own GM, and that HC selects a guy that really wouldn't qualify anywhere else and who was also on his former team, and as a result that new GM owes everything to his HC.  Common sense.  

 

Agree with most of this, but the bolded isn't quite fair. Beane had been acting GM in Carolina and had interviewed earlier in 2017 for the San Francisco job. He was recognised as one of the best up and coming candidates out there. Obviously the Bills job was a slam dunk for him but I do suspect he was at the point where he was going to be a popluar interview candidate for upcoming GM gigs. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

13 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

This may increase his percentage of success in finding better talent, hopefully it takes more risk out of his selections. The only thing left for acquiring better talent this year seems to be the draft. Right now finding quality of player is the biggest challenge facing McBeane during their tenure imo.

He’s horrible at trading up also . See Cody Ford for proof, 😂. 

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I’m starting to think it might be time to see if there’s a 3 Bills Drive, you’d think this team went 4-14 this year. 
 

Their record is even more impressive seeing Beane can’t draft, the FA signings are all busts, coaches are clueless, and Allen regressed.

Glad you are on the Bus with us Gus

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree with most of this, but the bolded isn't quite fair. Beane had been acting GM in Carolina and had interviewed earlier in 2017 for the San Francisco job. He was recognised as one of the best up and coming candidates out there. Obviously the Bills job was a slam dunk for him but I do suspect he was at the point where he was going to be a popluar interview candidate for upcoming GM gigs. 

 

Gettleman was the GM in Carolina and was responsible for their drafts there, but I looked when we hired Beane, I didn't see any kind of significant draft picks for the two seasons prior that he was "Asst. GM," whatever that means, besides McCaffrey, who was a no-brainer, if they hadn't grabbed him at 8th overall he'd have gone in the next several picks.  In fact, his drafts otherwise very much resemble his drafts here, a lotta nothing, a lotta B/C players and not getting value he should from the spots where he selects guys.   That's why I didn't care for the pick back then.  HIs best pick not in the top-10 was Vernon Butler, no wonder he ended up here in the Carolina to Buffalo express like so many others.  Anyone can give anyone credit for a good draft pick, if they had one besides McCaffrey on his watch, but at the end of the day everyone can't take credit and we have no idea what the impetus for that particular pick was.  Given his performance here it wouldn't see as if it was his, but we really don't know.  He was GM mystery meat.  We hear of "up and coming candidates" all the time that never end up doing anything, so that's all fluff. 

 

Point taken nonetheless.  My point was implying that we could have I'm sure gotten a more proven GM, but the fact that McD, the coach, was in on the process, that pretty much hamstrung us and predicted our short-list of choices to have been someone from Carolina, which of course it was.  It's also a safe thing to suggest that he wasn't the best candidate out there.  There's a lot of room for disagreement here, but my focus is on where things stand today.  Five seasons in and he hasn't proven that he was the best choice.  

[PBF81]

BTW, part of my point was that when the HC is hired first and allowed to select his own GM, the process is flawed.  That situation shouldn't exist unless the coach is someone with decades of winning experience, which obviously McD did not have.  

 

We knew that the GM, whomever it was going to be, was coming from Carolina.  There's something wrong with that process.  

[Southern_Bills]

I mean the same teams draft top 10 all the time, doesn't help them get to the SB.

 

Trade Oliver for what you can get, get the cap space and an extra 2nd or 3rd for a rookie that can play cheap.

[John from Riverside]

Your point is dead from the go
 

Brandon Beane has not drafted weakly you don’t have winning seasons every year and have a GM they can’t recognize talent

 

Stop with this

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

He’s horrible at trading up also . See Cody Ford for proof, 😂. 

Yeah, those trade ups for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds just sucked

[NastyNateSoldiers]

14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Your point is dead from the go
 

Brandon Beane has not drafted weakly you don’t have winning seasons every year and have a GM they can’t recognize talent

 

Stop with this

Yeah, those trade ups for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds just sucked

Edmunds trade up did suck ! I wanted Leonard and Warner later believe me I’m a draft geek! Those 2 players u could’ve traded bk and got 1 off them load up on pks instead of unload. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Edmunds trade up did suck ! I wanted Leonard and Warner later believe me I’m a draft geek! Those 2 players u could’ve traded bk and got 1 off them load up on pks instead of unload. 

Lol the Tremaine Edmunds pic absolutely did not suck. He has been a good linebacker for us and the numbers bear that out. Do you want to know what else Bears that out? The huge contract is about to get from somebody just because you had some draft crushes doesn’t mean that he wasn’t the correct pick.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Your point is dead from the go
 

Brandon Beane has not drafted weakly you don’t have winning seasons every year and have a GM they can’t recognize talent

 

Stop with this

Yeah, those trade ups for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds just sucked

Brandon Beane is a mediocre GM . I said it I don’t care how many games Allen carry’s this franchise on his bk . Beane has sucked in free agency and draft he sucks! Plain and simple . If either of us sucked at our jobs as much as him we’d be fired. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Brandon Beane is a mediocre GM . I said it I don’t care how many games Allen carry’s this franchise on his bk . Beane has sucked in free agency and draft he sucks! Plain and simple . If either of us sucked at our jobs as much as him we’d be fired. 

One player does not carry a franchise. It takes a village sir Brandon being is not a mediocre GM. The win loss of this team does not support your theory.
 

It’s interesting, how you use us at our jobs as to whether we would be fired or not do you wanna know why we would not be fired because the product that we put out as a team would be excellent

 

You’re way off

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Lol the Tremaine Edmunds pic absolutely did not suck. He has been a good linebacker for us and the numbers bear that out. Do you want to know what else Bears that out? The huge contract is about to get from somebody just because you had some draft crushes doesn’t mean that he wasn’t the correct pick.

Yes it does it proves he doesn’t know value which he absolutely doesn’t have a feel for the draft it’s strengths it’s weaknesses. He’s drafted a bunch of jags especially in first 3 rds . Even the yr he traded for Diggs he didn’t have a feel for that strong class of Wrs. The proof is in the pudding and thank God he did hit on Allen next him and McD are living off that creature success. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Yes it does it proves he doesn’t know value which he absolutely doesn’t have a feel for the draft it’s strengths it’s weaknesses. He’s drafted a bunch of jags especially in first 3 rds . Even the yr he traded for Diggs he didn’t have a feel for that strong class of Wrs. The proof is in the pudding and thank God he did hit on Allen next him and McD are living off that creature success. 

Has been in the running for general manager of the year in the NFL every year he’s been with the bills
 

Your feelings don’t match the facts

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

One player does not carry a franchise. It takes a village sir Brandon being is not a mediocre GM. The win loss of this team does not support your theory.
 

It’s interesting, how you use us at our jobs as to whether we would be fired or not do you wanna know why we would not be fired because the product that we put out as a team would be excellent

 

You’re way off

Most of our best players was pkd up in 2017 bud, Hyde, Poyer, Milano, Dawkins, & Tre all from 2017 class which Beane has no connection to. 

[John from Riverside]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/17/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-named-1-general-manager-nfl/

[NastyNateSoldiers]

What’s he done since then only Allen, Knox and Edmunds which I still think he messed up on trading up for