Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Andy1 said: Personally, I think marriage is marriage, regardless of the sex of the two people. Marriage is a term with legal meaning and implications for the two people involved. No one should deny other people the pursuit of happiness and the benefits of such union. Who is denying them benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: What’s wrong with me saying my two friends are married? Why does a union between two same sex people need a different word to describe it. And not only a different word but to use your word a BETTER word. What makes it better? Because they are trampling on your religion? I have no religion. So if I wanted to marry a guy I’d have to bow to your religious beliefs? Why do Christians get to make this definition? It’s a word for Christ’s (no pun intended) sake. This has literally nothing to do with religion. Many non religious men and women are married. Such as yourself. Not where I’m coming from at all. Nice try though Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: You know what’ is going away? People like you are being rapidly replaced by a much younger, thoughtful generation. Enjoy your sunset. They haven’t had time to think about bills and the college loans that won’t be forgiven. They just get to sit online courtesy of CCP Run Apple and virtue signal all day. Soon, they’ll be at DeSantis campaign rallies. I know this because at the epicenter of “don’t say gay,” despite this - he won by 20 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This has literally nothing to do with religion. Many non religious men and women are married. Such as yourself. Not where I’m coming from at all. Nice try though Jim. Then clarify where you’re coming from because obviously I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 41 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Then clarify where you’re coming from because obviously I missed it. You obviously did. I’m guessing you also think that Philadelphia being known as the “City of Brotherly Love” is something that Ben Franklin came up with. The point is that language is there to be more specific not less so. Just because a mule and a horse and a donkey are all similar four legged animals we don’t call them all ponies. Mine is not a message of hate. It’s instead to say why not create/utilize a word that is more definitive of this particular type of adult relationship? The gay community generally looks to single itself out at seemingly every turn. And I honestly have no problem with that. In fact I appreciate their message of independence and identity. Why not on this topic too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You obviously did. I’m guessing you also think that Philadelphia being known as the “City of Brotherly Love” is something that Ben Franklin came up with. The point is that language is there to be more specific not less so. Just because a mule and a horse and a donkey are all similar four legged animals we don’t call them all ponies. Mine is not a message of hate. It’s instead to say why not create/utilize a word that is more definitive of this particular type of adult relationship? The gay community generally looks to single itself out at seemingly every turn. And I honestly have no problem with that. In fact I appreciate their message of independence and identity. Why not on this topic too? A word that is more definitive of this particular type of adult relationship? Ok how about……marriage? Why is this so important to you? I’m not being a dick here. I’m really trying to get to the root of why you feel same sex unions can’t use the word marriage. You say it’s not religious but I can’t think of any other reason. Your mule horse donkey pony analogy leads me to the conclusion that same sex love is different and not worthy of the word marriage? Ok that’s fine. But why? How does this affect you? Why do you feel this way? You’ve not articulated this at all. EDIT: how about this. If you have a problem with same sex unions being called marriage. That’s fine. Call it something else. Call it a union, a partnership whatever. But also let them call it whatever they want to call it. It harms no one. Edited November 30, 2022 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Chef Jim said: A word that is more definitive of this particular type of adult relationship? Ok how about……marriage? Why is this so important to you? I’m not being a dick here. I’m really trying to get to the root of why you feel same sex unions can’t use the word marriage. You say it’s not religious but I can’t think of any other reason. Your mule horse donkey pony analogy leads me to the conclusion that same sex love is different and not worthy of the word marriage? Ok that’s fine. But why? How does this affect you? Why do you feel this way? You’ve not articulated this at all. Morning Chef It’s honestly not that important to me but forgive me, I’m a problem solver by nature. It occurs to me that much of the ‘controversy’ is over something quite easily resolved with just a tiny bit of creativity. So….how about garriage? Would that be so terrible? A gay man would describe himself as being garried. That way there wouldn’t be the awkward question of “what’s your wife’s name”, to which he has to reply “it’s actually my husband” and the inevitable “Oh, I see”. My solution isn’t at all disrespectful or demeaning…just a more precise use of language and honestly chock full of pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Morning Chef It’s honestly not that important to me but forgive me, I’m a problem solver by nature. It occurs to me that much of the ‘controversy’ is over something quite easily resolved with just a tiny bit of creativity. So….how about garriage? Would that be so terrible? A gay man would describe himself as being garried. That way there wouldn’t be the awkward question of “what’s your wife’s name”, to which he has to reply “it’s actually my husband” and the inevitable “Oh, I see”. My solution isn’t at all disrespectful or demeaning…just a more precise use of language and honestly chock full of pride. Problem solver? I know you’re being facetious but in order to be a problem solver there needs to be a problem. In this case you’re a problem creator. There is no problem here. It’s one of your own creation. You still have yet to tell me why you have a problem with same sex unions being called marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Problem solver? I know you’re being facetious but in order to be a problem solver there needs to be a problem. In this case you’re a problem creator. There is no problem here. It’s one of your own creation. You still have yet to tell me why you have a problem with same sex unions being called marriage. I’m done. I’m not going in circles with you here. If you can’t see the problem I can’t help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m done. I’m not going in circles with you here. If you can’t see the problem I can’t help you. Circles? Yeah we’re going I’m circles because you’ve not even told me what the problem actually is. Last time you said it was because the Bible defines marriage between a man and a woman. Now you’re saying “it literally has nothing to do with religion”? So I’m confused. Sorry those damn gays are infringing on your sacred marital institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Circles? Yeah we’re going I’m circles because you’ve not even told me what the problem actually is. Last time you said it was because the Bible defines marriage between a man and a woman. Now you’re saying “it literally has nothing to do with religion”? So I’m confused. Sorry those damn gays are infringing on your sacred marital institution. I may be wrong but I think you’re quoting someone else. Mine is NOT a religious position. Even if you desperately want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 6:03 AM, SoCal Deek said: The beef is with the hijacking of the word ‘marriage’ which has long meant something specific and set aside in the Church. On 11/19/2022 at 6:42 AM, SoCal Deek said: It has for centuries been defined as the socially recognized and consecrated bond/commitment between a man and a woman. @SoCal Deek Yes you did say it was about religion. Set aside by the church? So Christianity "owns" the word marriage. This is one of the reasons why I lost my religion. Control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: @SoCal Deek Yes you did say it was about religion. Set aside by the church? So Christianity "owns" the word marriage. This is one of the reasons why I lost my religion. Control. Nice try. That’s not the same as ‘owning’ the word. Knock it off. You’re CLEARLY not religious and yet you’re married. The religious definition is just one definition.. not THE definition….counselor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nice try. That’s not the same as ‘owning’ the word. Knock it off. You’re CLEARLY not religious and yet you’re married. The religious definition is just one definition.. not THE definition….counselor. Not allowing others to use a word sure sounds like ownership to me. Yes I’m married. I got married in a church. So I’m no longer religious but I can use the word to describe my union with my wife? Thank you. Thank you! But those dirty gays? No, not them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Blitz said: They haven’t had time to think about bills and the college loans that won’t be forgiven. They just get to sit online courtesy of CCP Run Apple and virtue signal all day. Soon, they’ll be at DeSantis campaign rallies. I know this because at the epicenter of “don’t say gay,” despite this - he won by 20 points. They had time to vote, right comrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Not allowing others to use a word sure sounds like ownership to me. Yes I’m married. I got married in a church. So I’m no longer religious but I can use the word to describe my union with my wife? Thank you. Thank you! But those dirty gays? No, not them. Yikes….careful there Jim. You project a bit too much. You do NOT know my story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yikes….careful there Jim. You project a bit too much. You do NOT know my story. Of course I don’t know your story. You’re unwilling to share why you feel gays can’t use a word. 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Of course I don’t know your story. You’re unwilling to share why you feel gays can’t use a word. 🤷🏻♂️ My story would tell you that I don’t think of them as ‘dirty’. Nice hate speech there master chef. I rarely do this but …GFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: My story would tell you that I don’t think of them as ‘dirty’. Nice hate speech there master chef. I rarely do this but …GFY Well it seems as if you don’t look at them as equals under the eye of God and that’s just sad. WWJD? I don’t know but I doubt he’d tell someone to go ***** themselves. Hope the nerve I struck heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Or maybe, just maybe....they could come up with a different word for the union of a man and man....and the entire issue goes away. Just saying. Most people don't have an issue with it. This might be one of the more bipartisan pieces of legislation you'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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