Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted yesterday at 12:09 PM Author Posted yesterday at 12:09 PM 18 hours ago, sherpa said: This drone strike on Russian aviation is a game changer in the annals of offensive warfare. Currently, there is no way to adequately defend against such a thing. Imagine a container ship cruising past a US task force in congested waters. Hundreds of drones suddenly launched inside the range needed to properly engage. US airbases do not protect airplanes with hardened spaces, and there are thousands of them. These drones were not data link controlled, so no way to jam them. Consider the amount of farmland purchased by Chinese interests near US air bases. This drone strike is akin to the brilliance of the Israeli pager operation. Pentagon.....We've got a problem. By the way, this has been discussed for years, but nobody did anything about it. Taken in conjunction with that crazy, super long range air battle Pakistan had with India--with Pakistan using Chinese made equipment--and 2025 has already seen a monumental change in warfare. Our military needs to change a lot, and fast.
sherpa Posted yesterday at 12:56 PM Posted yesterday at 12:56 PM 39 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Our military needs to change a lot, and fast. I can inform that the US military is well equipped with extremely long range anti air missiles, those that receive initial guidance from the launce platform, link to a third party enroute, whether it be satellite, ground based, separate aircraft or other, the use internal terminal guidance at the end game. The issue will be the ROE. The US has very, very rarely allowed beyond visual range engagements and targeting, which such deployment would require. That is one of the significant benefits of the F-35. Not a great dogfighter, but unbelievable ability to process the battle on all levels, and team up with other assets to provide informed, coordinated response including all other aircraft with link capability and drones. There's a lot going on. 1
B-Man Posted yesterday at 01:44 PM Posted yesterday at 01:44 PM Unfortunately, no surprise. Russia Launches Massive Retaliatory Strikes on Kyiv By Joe Cunningham Russia launched a massive aerial assault on Kyiv early Friday morning in direct retaliation for Ukraine's unprecedented "Operation Spiderweb" attack that hit 41 Russian strategic bombers across multiple airfields deep inside Russian territory. Russian ballistic missiles and drones have been launched toward Ukraine from multiple directions, the Ukrainian Air Force said on Telegram Friday, marking Moscow's swift response to one of the most audacious Ukrainian military operations of the entire war. Friday's Assault on Ukraine's Capital Fires caused by falling debris and drone strikes were reported in buildings across Kyiv, as Ukraine attempted to repel the Russian attack, the Head of Kyiv City Military Administration Tymur Tkachenko said. The attack targeted residential areas in the Ukrainian capital, with a high-rise building in the Solomyansky district of Kyiv damaged. https://redstate.com/joesquire/2025/06/05/breaking-russia-launches-air-raid-on-kyiv-n2190100 Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko confirmed the ongoing nature of the assault, telling residents via Telegram: "The attack on the capital continues. Stay in shelters!" Klitschko also reported fires in the districts of Holosiivskyi and Darnytskyi of the Ukrainian capital.
Coffeesforclosers Posted yesterday at 02:22 PM Posted yesterday at 02:22 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, sherpa said: There's a lot going on. Here's the thing. Air Forces and drone swarms are great and all. However to sustain this war, Ukraine and Russia are operating conscription based recruiting regimes, feeding recruits into training programs with 4-12 week training cycles. They're sustaining the equivalent of 1-2 battalions per week KIA/WIA/MIA. Of course their are exceptions, like Azov or the VDV. How do the USMC or Army operate in an environment like this using the All-Volunteer model where every infantry recruit gets 16 weeks of just Basic. Nevermind specialist schools or AIT? How do you execute doctrine if your maneuver battalions depend on peacetime trained specialists, but are losing a squad or a platoon a day just sitting on the contact line? Edited yesterday at 02:23 PM by Coffeesforclosers
sherpa Posted yesterday at 02:35 PM Posted yesterday at 02:35 PM 9 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Here's the thing. Air Forces and drone swarms are great and all. However to sustain this war, Ukraine and Russia are operating conscription based recruiting regimes, feeding recruits into training programs with 4-12 week training cycles. They're sustaining the equivalent of 1-2 battalions per week KIA/WIA/MIA. Of course their are exceptions, like Azov or the VDV. How do the USMC or Army operate in an environment like this using the All-Volunteer model where every infantry recruit gets 16 weeks of just Basic. Short answer, US military could not operate like this, and no caring gov should ever allow it. I read yesterday from an informed source that the Russians are losing 1000 people a day. They are untrained and ill-equipped. This war has become a useless slaughter. 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 8 hours ago, sherpa said: Short answer, US military could not operate like this, and no caring gov should ever allow it. I read yesterday from an informed source that the Russians are losing 1000 people a day. They are untrained and ill-equipped. This war has become a useless slaughter. It is senseless. I can't believe the Ukranian drone attack on Russian military assets was planned and executed without the support and direct involvement from western military assets. My suspicion is European and not US military or intelligence but who knows? But the noise coming out of places like London and Paris sounds like they're itching to escalate and widen the conflict. From what I've read their forces seem ill prepared for such a fight. Are they intent on dragging the Americans into open involvement? And what if Trump tells Starmer and Macron adios? And then the Russian response with missile and drone attacks appear indiscriminate and highly inaccurate. And not very effective from a military perspective. If it wasn't so tragic i'd suggest the impact was ameteurly comical. It's all a big mess with no clear exit ramp.
Niagara Bill Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 8 hours ago, sherpa said: Short answer, US military could not operate like this, and no caring gov should ever allow it. I read yesterday from an informed source that the Russians are losing 1000 people a day. They are untrained and ill-equipped. This war has become a useless slaughter. You know, the only good Ruskie...is a d..d Ruskie. Been that way since Napoleon 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It is senseless. I can't believe the Ukranian drone attack on Russian military assets was planned and executed without the support and direct involvement from western military assets. My suspicion is European and not US military or intelligence but who knows? But the noise coming out of places like London and Paris sounds like they're itching to escalate and widen the conflict. From what I've read their forces seem ill prepared for such a fight. Are they intent on dragging the Americans into open involvement? And what if Trump tells Starmer and Macron adios? And then the Russian response with missile and drone attacks appear indiscriminate and highly inaccurate. And not very effective from a military perspective. If it wasn't so tragic i'd suggest the impact was ameteurly comical. It's all a big mess with no clear exit ramp. The Ukraine will get real close to Putin soon, Kiyv gets nombed, Moscow is next. then Putin has a choice, drop a big one or settle...Trump will have a job to do, is he capable or will he Taco.
B-Man Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Trump Admin Reportedly Pulls Plug On Key Rockets To Ukraine, Redirects Equipment To US Forces The Pentagon is redirecting shipments of anti-drone technology initially meant for Ukraine to U.S. forces, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. The specialized anti-drone munitions, which were originally marked for Ukraine, will instead be sent to U.S. Air Force units in the Middle East, according to an internal memo from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth obtained by the WSJ. The administration has stressed the need for Europe to take on a larger share of the defense burden for Ukraine as the U.S. shifts focus to other theaters, most notably the Indo-Pacific. https://dailycaller.com/2025/06/05/trump-admin-rockets-ukraine-redirects-us-forces/
sherpa Posted 49 minutes ago Posted 49 minutes ago Just a feeling, but a strong one. I think this past week was the beginning of the end for Putin. Highly publicized destruction of a significant amount of his strategic air assets, which the Russian people saw. Underwater droning an important bridge. Oil revenue greatly decreased. 27% inflation. 600,000 or so dead or significantly injured while in the years of this war they hold an area about the size of LA County in Ukraine. The same as 89. The economy will bring him down, and once started, it may happen quickly. Just my view, but the economic and military momentum and vector is horrible for them.
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