Tommy Callahan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 30 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: The article says the only person able to ID him won't cooperate Would you when the officials have a record of releasing them to take care of witnesses? you see that in a lot of places where the criminal element is the power, not the police. 31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Probably Cook County - a sanctuary jurisdiction - has a policy against cooperating with ICE. Agree with you on this. that is moronic and should be illegal. it leads to more victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 In the absence of leadership, a vacuum is formed. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 30 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: In the absence of leadership, a vacuum is formed. ... Biden sucks alright. Thankfully we have governors like Abbott and DeSantis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 19 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: In the absence of leadership, a vacuum is formed. ... Seems like a good thing on the surface, but... Do you remember Cheech N Chong, when they wanted to go back home and visit, they'd set up a raid on themselves to get a free ride back home w/a sandwich, and then just come right back in? Now there is a provision to jail them for 6 months, and a felony if recaptured. Again, sounds great, right. Well, if the conditions you're fleeing are worse than detention, then 3 hots and a cot, while not as good as freedom in the states, is still better than what they had. Third, Texas is going to find out REAL fast, that they don't have the facilities and manpower to keep up. It's going to cost a TON, and take time to get the infrastructure ready. Texas has a surplus, but it will go fast. Now suppose Biden goes full Trump, and starts denying Texas federal funds, because he wants to be a sore loser. This is hardly a long-term solution, and in fact makes it a perpetual problem. Texans will grow tired of endlessly spending their taxes to detain immigrants. Lastly, this throws yet another wrench into the already complex immigration problem, and infighting just adds another problem to the long list. The REAL solution is comprehensive immigration reform in Congress. Congressional Democrats may even look at this as, "why should we spend money, when we can just let Texas foot the bill". I know a lot of you are conditioned to hate the last bi-partisan proposal, but any new bill is going to have to have self-triggering measures, so the Biden situation can't happen again with enforcement. Right now Trump wanting to play the hero for politics, and Biden being a dummy, along with republicans playing fake lawfare trying to get votes, instead of doing their job are the biggest hurdles. Call your reps and tell them you want immigration reform, NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Seems like a good thing on the surface, but... Do you remember Cheech N Chong, when they wanted to go back home and visit, they'd set up a raid on themselves to get a free ride back home w/a sandwich, and then just come right back in? Now there is a provision to jail them for 6 months, and a felony if recaptured. Again, sounds great, right. Well, if the conditions you're fleeing are worse than detention, then 3 hots and a cot, while not as good as freedom in the states, is still better than what they had. Third, Texas is going to find out REAL fast, that they don't have the facilities and manpower to keep up. It's going to cost a TON, and take time to get the infrastructure ready. Texas has a surplus, but it will go fast. Now suppose Biden goes full Trump, and starts denying Texas federal funds, because he wants to be a sore loser. This is hardly a long-term solution, and in fact makes it a perpetual problem. Texans will grow tired of endlessly spending their taxes to detain immigrants. Lastly, this throws yet another wrench into the already complex immigration problem, and infighting just adds another problem to the long list. The REAL solution is comprehensive immigration reform in Congress. Congressional Democrats may even look at this as, "why should we spend money, when we can just let Texas foot the bill". I know a lot of you are conditioned to hate the last bi-partisan proposal, but any new bill is going to have to have self-triggering measures, so the Biden situation can't happen again with enforcement. Right now Trump wanting to play the hero for politics, and Biden being a dummy, along with republicans playing fake lawfare trying to get votes, instead of doing their job are the biggest hurdles. Call your reps and tell them you want immigration reform, NOW! You don't think Texas thought this out beforehand? And millions of their tax dollars were already being used. That's why they started shipping them out-of-state, with great sucess in both relieving the burden on themselves and bringing attention to the crisis, when most passed-it-off initially as a "stunt." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Doc said: You don't think Texas thought this out beforehand? And millions of their tax dollars were already being used. That's why they started shipping them out-of-state, with great sucess in both relieving the burden on themselves and bringing attention to the crisis, when most passed-it-off initially as a "stunt." Not sure what you're trying to say here. This ruling allows them to follow their new law, which allows them to jail or deport. if the plan is to just continue to ship them out, and not even use the new law, then it would in fact confirm that it certainly was just a political stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: Not sure what you're trying to say here. This ruling allows them to follow their new law, which allows them to jail or deport. if the plan is to just continue to ship them out, and not even use the new law, then it would in fact confirm that it certainly was just a political stunt. No, I'm saying they shipped them out because they were shouldering the burden of having illegals all on their own. Now they can jail and deport them, which should lead many to think twice about crossing there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Doc said: Now they can jail and deport them, which should lead many to think twice about crossing there. I just pointed out the problems with that, so I'm guessing your reply wasn't regarding any of those issues, and was just tossing out random, irrelevant info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 15 minutes ago, daz28 said: I just pointed out the problems with that, so I'm guessing your reply wasn't regarding any of those issues, and was just tossing out random, irrelevant info? You opined on things you have no idea about, like what can and can't handle. It was yet another attempt by you to push a lousy border deal when all Joe needs to do is reverse the damage he's already caused and tell Dems to do a standalone border security bill. But again that just gives Trump a political win. Meanwhile we get more illegals, some criminal, entering everyday and Dems continue to take it on the chin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 A cost of $387 per day for 65K migrant households works out to a little over $9 billion per year. For context, NYC's annual budget is $100 billion, NYS is $220 billion, Erie County is $2.2 billion, and Buffalo's is $550 million. With the amount of money being spent in NYC on migrants you could have built 5 new Bills stadiums (at $1.7 billion each). NYC spending $387 per migrant each day as Mayor Eric Adams tries to slash spending amid influx of nearly 65K "New York City is forking out an average of $387 per day to put up a single migrant household in taxpayer-funded shelters, the latest data from City Hall show. That number — known as the “cumulative per diem” — is the average of what the city has spent to house and feed each migrant household per day every month since the start of the crisis in spring 2022." "City Hall has pegged the decline on cost-cutting measures implemented by Mayor Eric Adams’ administration to combat the crisis that’s forecast to set the Big Apple back $10 billion through next fiscal year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 The Texas border actions could result in traffic being diverted to California and Arizona. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 18 minutes ago, Doc said: You opined on things you have no idea about, like what can and can't handle. It was yet another attempt by you to push a lousy border deal when all Joe needs to do is reverse the damage he's already caused and tell Dems to do a standalone border security bill. But again that just gives Trump a political win. Meanwhile we get more illegals, some criminal, entering everyday and Dems continue to take it on the chin. LOL, in your opinion, does Texas currently have the resources and funds to follow this law right now and long-term? No, well then they'll be do EXACTLY what Biden is doing that you hate so much. They'll end up not enforcing the laws, and claiming they don't have the resources to do it. I know you hate Joke, but that's no reason to call what is almost certainly a fact my opinion. Texas' budget is available online, so if you want to show me how much they have allocated for this, I'd like to see it. They spend $22,000/year per inmate. Let's say they jail 1 million immigrants. That's $22 billion. Charge em with a felony when they return, and how long before you have 10 million immigrants in jail? Their annual budget is $165 billion. Not a political stunt though. LOLZ 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The Texas border actions could result in traffic being diverted to California and Arizona. If Trump wins he will deport them. At least in Texas they will have $22,00 worth of care in jail that they wouldn't have in Mexico. As usual a poorly thought-out plan by republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: LOL, in your opinion, does Texas currently have the resources and funds to follow this law right now and long-term? No, well then they'll be do EXACTLY what Biden is doing that you hate so much. They'll end up not enforcing the laws, and claiming they don't have the resources to do it. I know you hate Joke, but that's no reason to call what is almost certainly a fact my opinion. Texas' budget is available online, so if you want to show me how much they have allocated for this, I'd like to see it. They spend $22,000/year per inmate. Let's say they jail 1 million immigrants. That's $22 billion. Charge em with a felony when they return, and how long before you have 10 million immigrants in jail? Their annual budget is $165 billion. Not a political stunt though. LOLZ Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. And they're not going to jail illegals for a year or even a week. They'll get them out of there pronto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. And they're not going to jail illegals for a year or even a week. They'll get them out of there pronto. Then why did they create a law to jail them? Political stunt maybe? Doc, you normally don't lose this badly, but you're having a bad day. Do you think any of them might return? What would be stopping them? Edited March 19 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Then why did they create a law to jail them? Political stunt maybe? Doc, you normally don't lose this badly, but you're having a bad day. Do you think any of them might return? What would be stopping them? Why jail illegals here illegally? Gee, I don't know... Take the loss here. The border crisis is on Joe and the Dems, and them alone. If they want to keep taking the loss and further sink their chances in Nov., by all means, keep doing everything they can to let more illegals in to "destroy" cities and commit crimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Doc said: Why jail illegals here illegally? Gee, I don't know... Take the loss here. The border crisis is on Joe and the Dems, and them alone. If they want to keep taking the loss and further sink their chances in Nov., by all means, keep doing everything they can to let more illegals in to "destroy" cities and commit crimes. Penalties for those who illegally re-enter Texas after having been deported could go up to 20 years in prison, depending on a person's immigration and criminal history. Top Mexico diplomat Roberto Velasco Álvarez posted on X that Mexico will not accept migrants being sent back across the border by the state of Texas. "The dialogue on immigration matters will continue between the federal governments" of Mexico and the US, he wrote in Spanish. sow chaos and confusion at our southern border," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement. "The court gives a green-light that will upend the longstanding federal-state balance of power and sow chaos," Justice Sotomayor wrote in the dissenting opinion. Oh look, what happened? It sowed chaos. Looks like they won't be sending them back "pronto". Better start building those prisons we were talking about, because 20 years is a long time to be housing someone. The cost for each one jailed? $500,000. Doc your whole day has been a loss. You could call it an average trump day. meanwhile I'll be dying over the irony that Texas won't have the money, resources, and infrastructure to enforce their laws. Sounds PAINFULLY familiar. Too bad we didn't have a bill presented that only had 2 other super simple aid issues attached to it ready to be sent to the president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Penalties for those who illegally re-enter Texas after having been deported could go up to 20 years in prison, depending on a person's immigration and criminal history. Top Mexico diplomat Roberto Velasco Álvarez posted on X that Mexico will not accept migrants being sent back across the border by the state of Texas. "The dialogue on immigration matters will continue between the federal governments" of Mexico and the US, he wrote in Spanish. sow chaos and confusion at our southern border," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement. "The court gives a green-light that will upend the longstanding federal-state balance of power and sow chaos," Justice Sotomayor wrote in the dissenting opinion. Oh look, what happened? It sowed chaos. Looks like they won't be sending them back "pronto". Better start building those prisons we were talking about, because 20 years is a long time to be housing someone. The cost for each one jailed? $500,000. Doc your whole day has been a loss. You could call it an average trump day. meanwhile I'll be dying over the irony that Texas won't have the money, resources, and infrastructure to enforce their laws. Sounds PAINFULLY familiar. Too bad we didn't have a bill presented that only had 2 other super simple aid issues attached to it ready to be sent to the president. My whole day has been a loss? LOL! Sherpa schooled you in the thread about Joe's abject failure in Afghanistan. And you still haven't shown me a shred of proof that Trump raped EJC, just "the jury said he did." No illegals won't be housed for long, much less a year, much much less 20 years. At worst it will be until November... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Doc said: And you still haven't shown me a shred of proof that Trump raped EJC, just "the jury said he did." Tell me you're kidding. Your argument is that I have to provide you personally with evidence that you deem acceptable? That's not how the law, juries, or in fact anything else on this planet works. After a jury finds you guilty, you're guilty. It no longer becomes slander. I had no clue there was a Doc must concur clause in the judicial system. You and Sherpa don't even know what operational is, but you know who is responsible for the bungle. OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 So much WINNIN..... oh wait.... A federal appeals court on Tuesday night ordered that a contentious new Texas immigration law be paused just hours after the Supreme Court said it could go into effect. A three-judge panel of the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals split 2-1 in saying in a brief order that the measure, known as SB4, should be blocked. The same court is hearing arguments Wednesday morning on the issue. Doing Texas a solid, and they don't even know it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, daz28 said: So much WINNIN..... oh wait.... A federal appeals court on Tuesday night ordered that a contentious new Texas immigration law be paused just hours after the Supreme Court said it could go into effect. A three-judge panel of the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals split 2-1 in saying in a brief order that the measure, known as SB4, should be blocked. The same court is hearing arguments Wednesday morning on the issue. Doing Texas a solid, and they don't even know it. If the feds don't secure the border. The states will. Who else will fill that vacuum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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