BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Literally saw a Peter Pan picture in a post two days ago. He is out there...and waiting. Thats Daryl Talley for sure, but I cant tell the context of why he is being thrown off the plane. He wasn’t wearing a mask 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I don’t have a tik tok acct. So if anyone wants to describe great, nor will I. The good news is that you don't need an account to watch it! You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Wait. So he doesn’t want to wear a mask on plane, and this is because of his mental health issues? Are you inferring that this incident is a result of mental illness? Because there are literally millions of people that don’t want to wear masks, and it has nothing to do with mental illness. If you're observed acting outside the social norm/rules and you have a history of doing stuff like that due to mental illness, the probability is that your behavior is linked to your illness and not by your personal dedication to socially disruptive law-breaking forms of social protest. The rule for getting on a plane is "you must wear a mask" and it's a condition of carriage to follow the rules. Therefore, if you buy a ticket and get on the plane, you expect to be told to wear a mask. I think Chevy's point is that in Talley's case, there are documented instances where Talley was not willing/able to follow social rules or resolve life problems in the usual minimally-disruptive way, and that his family considers these behaviors symptomatic of CTE-related issues they've worked to obtain treatment for. The treatment will inevitably involve some things they can't control, such as willingness to take meds all the time. This is not new, it's been discussed on this newsgroup for years since Tim Graham wrote an article that broke the story, and Janine (Talley's wife) has vented by writing articles describing some of the stuff that happened when they were seeking diagnosis or disability certification. 3 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Please try and refrain from unhelpful and narrative driving assumptions about another human beings mental state. It doesn’t help anyone. See above 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I will admit that I am making some assumptions here, but where do we as a society draw the line on obvious bad social behavior? Is he so cognitively incompetent that he can’t he can’t be trusted to be out in public unsupervised? Likely not, so.... I'm not gonna harp on this but Janine wrote a piece a while back describing some behavior in a restaurant when he was off medication for the purpose of diagnosis, and from what was described, it sounded as though it was edging pretty close to that latter. That he didn't tweet anymore because he struggled to put words together, struggled to understand why he could or couldn't do certain things, just a bunch of routine daily stuff that were becoming too hard for him. His younger daughter also wrote about it a couple times - that her dad could still fix anything, fix her car, but he kept going inside and up 3 flights to her apartment for tools because he didn't think of the obvious solution of carrying the small toolbox down to the car. You can look it up if you want. The point isn't that bad social behavior should be tolerated, it's that someone who has mental problems that lead (as one symptom) to inability to understand/accept social rules therefore acting out in public isn't able to stop doing that out of some gratitude for prior financial assistance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you're observed acting outside the social norm/rules and you have a history of doing stuff like that due to mental illness, the probability is that your behavior is linked to your illness and not by your personal dedication to socially disruptive law-breaking forms of social protest. The rule for getting on a plane is "you must wear a mask" and it's a condition of carriage to follow the rules. Therefore, if you buy a ticket and get on the plane, you expect to be told to wear a mask. I think Chevy's point is that in Talley's case, there are documented instances where Talley was not willing/able to follow social rules or resolve life problems in the usual minimally-disruptive way, and that his family considers these behaviors symptomatic of CTE-related issues they've worked to obtain treatment for. The treatment will inevitably involve some things they can't control, such as willingness to take meds all the time. This is not new, it's been discussed on this newsgroup for years since Tim Graham wrote an article that broke the story, and Janine (Talley's wife) has vented by writing articles describing some of the stuff that happened when they were seeking diagnosis or disability certification. See above Ok. I still think that it’s dangerous to assume that someone who you do not know personally, is having a mental episode. You are right that he should have to wear a mask, especially when it’s given to you in notice and signage. But being frustrated with a dozen people yelling at you, does not constitute a mental episode. Considering the countless videos we have seen over the past year of people actually having episodes, this does not fit the same mold. Im not doubting that he has suffered brain trauma. I’m not doubting his words, or his wife’s words. What I am doubting, is the assertion by a poster on this message board, that Darryl Talley is having a mental episode, because he doesn’t want to wear a mask. At this point, I’m sorry i even responded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not gonna harp on this but Janine wrote a piece a while back describing some behavior in a restaurant when he was off medication for the purpose of diagnosis, and from what was described, it sounded as though it was edging pretty close to that latter. That he didn't tweet anymore because he struggled to put words together, struggled to understand why he could or couldn't do certain things, just a bunch of routine daily stuff that were becoming too hard for him. His younger daughter also wrote about it a couple times - that her dad could still fix anything, fix her car, but he kept going inside and up 3 flights to her apartment for tools because he didn't think of the obvious solution of carrying the small toolbox down to the car. You can look it up if you want. The point isn't that bad social behavior should be tolerated, it's that someone who has mental problems that lead (as one symptom) to inability to understand/accept social rules therefore acting out in public isn't able to stop doing that out of some gratitude for prior financial assistance. Then he needs to be supervised when out in public so that he does not harm himself or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Perhaps he had a vaccine and incorrectly thought he no longer needed a mask. Even with the cdc guidance he’d need it on a plane per airline rules, etc. That said, it wasn’t a total meltdown, he just argued and left. Also, not sure how he got past security without a mask? 27 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Then he needs to be supervised when out in public so that he does not harm himself or others. not all people with mental illness are a threat to themselves or others. Edited March 17, 2021 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 34 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: I still think that it’s dangerous to assume that someone who you do not know personally, is having a mental episode. We can agree on this, absolutely. There are well-documented instances of people behaving like jerks on airplanes who are either motivated by an excess of "liquid courage" or some combination of personal belief/desire for notoriety, so in the general instance, it would indeed be a poor assumption. There's just a prior history here which leads to the inference, and it is still an inference. 34 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Im not doubting that he has suffered brain trauma. I’m not doubting his words, or his wife’s words. What I am doubting, is the assertion by a poster on this message board, that Darryl Talley is having a mental episode, because he doesn’t want to wear a mask. At this point, I’m sorry i even responded. You have a valid point, and you made it in a civil manner and reiterated in a way to find points of agreement, that's what it's all about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Confirmed that the person in the Tik Tok video is former Bill Darryl Talley. [This is an automated response] This topic is no longer contributing to the community and therefore the discussion has been closed. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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