WEATHER DOT COM Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Why didn't the people screaming about fraud now support any of the election security bills passed in the House before the election? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, shoshin said: It's not complicated and I'll make it easier and less incindiary for you: Biden winning is (one of, if not THE) biggest deep state caper of all time vs. Trump lost Which is it? I'll answer your framed question if you answer mine. If I welch on that, you can call me a person of low moral character and I will be proven so. I asked first. I cleaned it up for you as the additional verbiage was superfluous. Option 3: Too soon to answer. Today, Option 3 is my answer. That said, I'll follow the same course of action you suggested with respect to grabbing a heap of Biden lovin today and reviewing his presidency 4 years hence--come the third week in January, I'll be in a position to answer. Could be sooner. I'm also happy to speculate as to what I think it will look like come January 20. Just ask--but watch the loaded questions--they will be summarily dismissed, probably with prejudice because that's what we Trump supporters do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I cleaned it up for you as the additional verbiage was superfluous. Option 3: Too soon to answer. Today, Option 3 is my answer. That said, I'll follow the same course of action you suggested with respect to grabbing a heap of Biden lovin today and reviewing his presidency 4 years hence--come the third week in January, I'll be in a position to answer. Could be sooner. I'm also happy to speculate as to what I think it will look like come January 20. Just ask--but watch the loaded questions--they will be summarily dismissed, probably with prejudice because that's what we Trump supporters do. You believe in the lack of evidence. Can you render an answer about who won the 2016 election or is it also too soon? How about 2000? What is your usual evidentiary time period to render an opinion about who won an election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 It's pretty clear at this point that there was no fraud. The election was over a month ago and there hasn't been a shred of evidence provided to support that claim. Also, GOP lawyers aren't even alleging fraud in their lawsuits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I cleaned it up for you as the additional verbiage was superfluous. Option 3: Too soon to answer. Today, Option 3 is my answer. Taking that cop-out doesnt make you look as smart or above it all as you think it does. It's a long form way of saying but not saying "Option 1: Deep state conspiracy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, shoshin said: You believe in the lack of evidence. Can you render an answer about who won the 2016 election or is it also too soon? How about 2000? What is your usual evidentiary time period to render an opinion about who won an election? Insubordinate...and churlish. 2016 was DJT. 2000 was George the W. Ironically, if you asked this question on this very date in 2000, I would have answered the same way I did today. Not sure you would have had ants in your pants. Usual evidentiary time period runs election day until concession/the end of court challenges. See the year 2000. Btw--this is awkward but....you are perilously close to being labelled a person of low moral character and proven as such. I think you said this previously: I'll answer your framed question if you answer mine. If I welch on that, you can call me a person of low moral character and I will be proven so. I asked first. Edited 4 hours ago by shoshin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Taking that cop-out doesnt make you look as smart or above it all as you think it does. It's a long form way of saying but not saying "Option 1: Deep state conspiracy". Maybe, but dropping an apostrophe on a word used every day ain't gonna get you into Mensa neither pal. Now that we're past the insults, I answered the question honestly, it's no more or less a "cop-out" than any other response. While I understand your position, I'm extremely comfortable with mine. One last thing Johnny Bravo, no one says 'cop-out' anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Today from Wisconsin's ruling........Question for Trump's apostles........why are they not bringing fraud charges if it's " Wide spread "...........are they simply incompetent ? ( well, Rudy clearly is...but what about all the others.)...Are Trump's lawyers part of the Deep State movement ? I believe this is Trump's 51st loss in court...at what point does it become abuse of process ?...... "The Milwaukee County Circuit Court in Wisconsin has denied the Trump campaign's attempt to toss out 220,000 ballots it said should have been rejected following recounts in Dane and Milwaukee Counties. Judge Stephen Simanek noted the campaign made "no allegations of widespread fraud," nor did it submit any evidence that would support such claims." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said: Today from Wisconsin's ruling........Question for Trump's apostles........why are they not bringing fraud charges if it's " Wide spread "...........are they simply incompetent ? ( well, Rudy clearly is...but what about all the others.)...Are Trump's lawyers part of the Deep State movement ? I believe this is Trump's 51st loss in court...at what point does it become abuse of process ?...... "The Milwaukee County Circuit Court in Wisconsin has denied the Trump campaign's attempt to toss out 220,000 ballots it said should have been rejected following recounts in Dane and Milwaukee Counties. Judge Stephen Simanek noted the campaign made "no allegations of widespread fraud," nor did it submit any evidence that would support such claims." Because there is no fraud. They want to abolish democracy. Plain and simple. That's all this is about. Republicans don't believe in the core concept of a Democracy when the people who get the most votes win. They cling to the electoral college as being something "fair", and now that it's not working for them they're pissed and they can't accept reality. They're losing their last remaining grip on power and they're absolutely petrified. Because they never believed in democracy to begin with, it's easy for them to move towards accepting a Dictator if it means they get their way, hence tens of millions of GOP voters getting on board with tossing an election because their guy didn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You've attempted to accomplish three goals here. 1. Ask an either/or question, framed as you see fit, with a subjective and incendiary narrative; 2. You've refused to respond to a query that better frames the argument so I understand your perspective; 3. You've accused me of dodging a question, thereby creating the appearance that the question is valid in form and I am unwilling to answer; I reject the question in both content and form. 4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I cleaned it up for you as the additional verbiage was superfluous. Option 3: Too soon to answer. Today, Option 3 is my answer. That said, I'll follow the same course of action you suggested with respect to grabbing a heap of Biden lovin today and reviewing his presidency 4 years hence--come the third week in January, I'll be in a position to answer. Could be sooner. I'm also happy to speculate as to what I think it will look like come January 20. Just ask--but watch the loaded questions--they will be summarily dismissed, probably with prejudice because that's what we Trump supporters do. 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Insubordinate...and churlish. 2016 was DJT. 2000 was George the W. Ironically, if you asked this question on this very date in 2000, I would have answered the same way I did today. Not sure you would have had ants in your pants. Usual evidentiary time period runs election day until concession/the end of court challenges. See the year 2000. Btw--this is awkward but....you are perilously close to being labelled a person of low moral character and proven as such. I think you said this previously: I'll answer your framed question if you answer mine. If I welch on that, you can call me a person of low moral character and I will be proven so. I asked first. Edited 4 hours ago by shoshin Quote You never answered his question. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Insubordinate...and churlish. 2016 was DJT. Well...2016 was much closer than this election so... Quote Btw--this is awkward but....you are perilously close to being labelled a person of low moral character and proven as such. I think you said this previously: I'll answer your framed question if you answer mine. If I welch on that, you can call me a person of low moral character and I will be proven so. I asked first. Edited 4 hours ago by shoshin Quote As you know, you didn't answer my question. But unlike you, I'll answer yours because I take an accusation of a breach of honor seriously. I hope you didn't make that allegation in a flip way. "Define "accept the winner" as it relates to Russia, Ukraine Impeachment and the democrat majority in the house. " In full disclosure, I am not sure that I understand your question and feel free to clarify if you want. Russia: Not sure who won. America lost. I've discussed this elsewhere recently. I "accept the winner" in that I accept that there was no collusion. Ukraine impeachment: Not sure who won. America lost. The inquiry made sense to me. The impeachment did not. I "accept the winner" in that I accept the verdict. Democrat majority in the house: No idea what you mean here. Dems have won more elections and thus have the majority. I "accept the winner" in that I accept the results of the election. Edited December 11, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 No fraud 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, BillStime said: No fraud https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-rejects-texas-suit-challenging-biden-s-victory/ar-BB1bRm9c?ocid=msedgntp Trump using the courts to steal this Election: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, jrober38 said: Because there is no fraud. They want to abolish democracy. Plain and simple. That's all this is about. Republicans don't believe in the core concept of a Democracy when the people who get the most votes win. They cling to the electoral college as being something "fair", and now that it's not working for them they're pissed and they can't accept reality. They're losing their last remaining grip on power and they're absolutely petrified. Because they never believed in democracy to begin with, it's easy for them to move towards accepting a Dictator if it means they get their way, hence tens of millions of GOP voters getting on board with tossing an election because their guy didn't win. For the record, I am a Republican.....a Republican that despised Trump.....not all GOP members are completely crazy !.....We need to stay away from those wide statements....not all Dems are " level headed " either..... Edited December 12, 2020 by Iron Maiden 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: For the record, I am a Republican.....a Republican that despised Trump.....not all GOP members are completely crazy !.....We need to stay away from those wide statements....not all Dems are " level headed " either..... Fine. MAGA supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Fine. MAGA supporters. MAGAs stole my party.....the one thing that does give me hope, is that overall, the GOP did well down ballot......Blue on top, Red for the rest......so I think there's quite a few in my predicament..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: MAGAs stole my party.....the one thing that does give me hope, is that overall, the GOP did well down ballot......Blue on top, Red for the rest......so I think there's quite a few in my predicament..... They don't represent you. The party caters entirely to the MAGA, grievance filled wing of the party. The don't believe in democracy or the constitution. They're only loyal to their dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, shoshin said: Well...2016 was much closer than this election so... As you know, you didn't answer my question. But unlike you, I'll answer yours because I take an accusation of a breach of honor seriously. I hope you didn't make that allegation in a flip way. "Define "accept the winner" as it relates to Russia, Ukraine Impeachment and the democrat majority in the house. " In full disclosure, I am not sure that I understand your question and feel free to clarify if you want. Russia: Not sure who won. America lost. I've discussed this elsewhere recently. I "accept the winner" in that I accept that there was no collusion. Ukraine impeachment: Not sure who won. America lost. The inquiry made sense to me. The impeachment did not. I "accept the winner" in that I accept the verdict. Democrat majority in the house: No idea what you mean here. Dems have won more elections and thus have the majority. I "accept the winner" in that I accept the results of the election. Whatever. You asked a dopey loaded question, I nicely explained the issue l had with it, and ultimately provided an answer that made sense to me. I did not make an accusation, I gently nudged you because you had previously indicated you would answer mine. I don’t really care that you didn’t like my answer, but an answer was provided. I appreciate your effort with respect to Russia and Ukraine. I’m more convinced than ever about the path that needs to be taken. Enjoy your night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Whatever. You asked a dopey loaded question, I nicely explained the issue l had with it, and ultimately provided an answer that made sense to me. If you think Trump won, then you must think there was a giant conspiracy to pull off this fraud no? 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I appreciate your effort with respect to Russia and Ukraine. I’m more convinced than ever about the path that needs to be taken. What path is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, shoshin said: If you think Trump won, then you must think there was a giant conspiracy to pull off this fraud no? I did not answer that I thought Trump won. You know this, why play this game? Quote What path is that? The one I previously outlined. Unity is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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