Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, WideNine said: Funny how all the repubtards that won seats down ticket on the same ballots claim that only the voter selections of Biden at the top of those same ballots are fraudulent. Hmmmm? Ignore the fact that many counties where Dominion systems were used, Trump won. Not a single court case where facts and evidence needed to be presented backed these submoronic innuendos of voting fraud. Saying something patently false over and over does not make it true. Maybe, just maybe, enough folks with a few functioning neurons know that Trump is a delusional, self-serving, serial-lying, criminal fraud and decided to vote his ass out of office. .....I know that for some Trump cultists they just can't imagine that there are millions more voters out there that despised Trump enough to want to vote him out of the WH. But, that is the reality and the facts of the matter. Since you are the resident election fraud genius here, do tell us about all of the Biden dumps in battleground states between 1:30-6:30am on election night. Tell us how Trump was up 700K votes in PA and lost. Go look at some of the probability studies that showed it was statistically impossible to overcome Trump's leads in WI/MI/PA/GA without cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) You can tell these repubtards are scared b.c they are on this site crying. 1 minute ago, Looper said: Since you are the resident election fraud genius here, do tell us about all of the Biden dumps in battleground states between 1:30-6:30am on election night. Tell us how Trump was up 700K votes in PA and lost. Go look at some of the probability studies that showed it was statistically impossible to overcome Trump's leads in WI/MI/PA/GA without cheating. Please ask us something factual if you want answers. You ask questions of things that are fake, that is your first problem. Do you know what mail in ballots are? That is the first step to answering your bull#### question. If you don't know what those are than everything else will be useless. Edited January 5, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: We are not the ones urging state officials to "find me" 11,000 votes. We are not the ones urging the VP to ignore the constitution and the law by refusing to simply read the electoral vote certifications from the states. VP has the constitutional right to reject any set of electors from any state if he believes there was fraud. And I suggest you go listen to the entire phone cal between Trump and Raffensperger, not just the MSNBC sound bites. 3 minutes ago, TBBills said: You can tell these repubtards are scared b.c they are on this site crying. Please ask us something factual if you want answers. You ask questions of things that are fake, that is your first problem. The only "fake" things are the MSM and Biden's win. This grifter with a crackhead for a son will never be my president. 47 years of nothing. Can't wait to see this loser's energy level if he takes office. Even if he does take office, I have every confidence that Biden will f*k things up so bad, the GOP will easily win the presidency back in 2024. Even Obama thought he was a f*k up. Edited January 5, 2021 by Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Looper said: Julian Assange just made bail #FakeNews 4 minutes ago, Looper said: VP has the constitutional right to reject any set of electors from any state if he believes there was fraud. More #FakeNews, Blooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Looper said: VP has the constitutional right to reject any set of electors from any state if he believes there was fraud. And I suggest you go listen to the entire phone cal between Trump and Raffensperger, not just there MSNBC sound bites. The VP most certainly doesn't have that right. You don't seem terribly well schooled on the latest "theory" under which Pence could refuse to count all the electoral votes. It isn't that he has the right to "reject" anything. Rather, it's a completely bad faith argument that goes like this: - The official certifications from the "contested" states (meaning "ones that Trump didn't agree with the results from") are in - The Repubs in those states had some of their state legislative hacks in those states purport to submit "alternative" certifications, appointing Trump electors - Pence is supposed to play act that he now has competing certifications. "Which one should I count? Oh, dear, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't count either of them right now. I'll send the competing certificates back to the state legislatures, asking them to tell me which one to count by January 17." - The state legislatures (most, apparently, controlled by Republicans, although I haven't checked) will sit on these, and so their electoral votes will not ultimately be counted when Pence reconvenes the Senate on January 17. - Pence will then throw up his hands and say, "Geez, I guess neither candidate got the majority (270) of the electoral votes on the certificates that will be counted." That throws the election to the House, where each state votes as a delegation. And because Republicans control at least 26 of the 50 delegations, they vote for Trump. And the Senate (which they hope is still in Republican hands) votes for Pence. And, voila! Trump-Pence get another term as the Republicans cynically reject the votes of millions of Americans in those "contested" states. That's the plan. Really. Look it up. It is disgusting, it is dangerous, and it essentially opens the door to the end of democratic elections for the presidency in America. Who doesn't believe that the Democrats would do the same thing if they control the House/Senate in 4 years? But does Trump care about America and 230 years of a democratic republic? Of course not. He cares about Trump. Edited January 5, 2021 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Sorry for doxxing your backside Blooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Looper said: VP has the constitutional right to reject any set of electors from any state if he believes there was fraud. And I suggest you go listen to the entire phone cal between Trump and Raffensperger, not just the MSNBC sound bites. The only "fake" things are the MSM and Biden's win. This grifter with a crackhead for a son will never be my president. 47 years of nothing. Can't wait to see this loser's energy level if he takes office. Even if he does take office, I have every confidence that Biden will f*k things up so bad, the GOP will easily win the presidency back in 2024. Even Obama thought he was a f*k up. Ok so you are a complete brainwashed idiot. Got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: The VP most certainly doesn't have that right. You don't seem terribly well schooled on the latest "theory" under which Pence could refuse to count all the electoral votes. It isn't that he has the right to "reject" anything. Rather, it's a completely bad faith argument that goes like this: - The official certifications from the "contested" states (meaning "ones that Trump didn't agree with the results from") are in - The Repubs in those states had some of their state legislative hacks in those states purport to submit "alternative" certifications, appointing Trump electors - Pence is supposed to play act that he now has competing certifications. "Which one should I count? Oh, dear, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't count either of them right now. I'll send the competing certificates back to the state legislatures, asking them to tell me which one to count by January 17." - The state legislatures (most, apparently, controlled by Republicans, although I haven't checked) will sit on these, and so their electoral votes will not ultimately be counted when Pence reconvenes the Senate on January 17. - Pence will then throw up his hands and say, "Geez, I goes neither candidate got the majority (270) of the electoral votes on the certificates that will be counted." That throws the election to the House, where each state votes as a delegation. And because Republicans control at least 26 of the 50 delegations, they vote for Trump. And the Senate (which they hope is still in Republican hands) votes for Pence. And, voila! Trump-Pence get another term as the Republicans cynically reject the votes of millions of Americans in those "contested" states. That's the plan. Really. Look it up. It is disgusting, and essentially opens the door to the end of democratic elections for the presidency in America. Who doesn't believe that the Democrats would do the same thing if they control the House/Senate in 4 years? But does Trump care about America and 230 years of a democratic republic? Of course not. He care about Trump. You are correct but by sending the certifications back to the states is essentially "rejecting" them. And election fraud is a far more threat to democracy than the VP doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Looper said: You are correct Time to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Sorry for doxxing your backside Blooper I see you're about as mature as Kamala Harris - have you broken up any marriages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Looper said: You are correct but by sending the certifications back to the states is essentially "rejecting" them. And election fraud is a far more threat to democracy than the VP doing his job. And the statements of Senators who plan to contest the electoral certificates don't even mention any proof of fraud. They mention "unprecedented ALLEGATIONS of fraud." So because Trump and enough of his minions allege things often enough and loudly enough, I guess that's sufficient to overcome the certified results the states have submitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, TBBills said: Ok so you are a complete brainwashed idiot. Got it. And you must be a regular idiot who voted for a 47-year lifer with early onset dementia that you think is going to give you some of free stuff he got from China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 And let's not dodge the context in which this whole "Pence can reject the certifications" theory. - Trump is openly pressuring him to do so - Trump's supporters are not so vaguely threatening him with execution (I'm not making this up; see what I just posted in the infamous "Q" thread) if he doesn't do it If somehow this happens we are into full banana republic territory. I don't think most Americans realize how dangerous this is, that the President is openly entertaining these takeover notions. Not just entertaining them; supporting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: And the statements of Senators who plan to contest the electoral certificates don't even mention any proof of fraud. They mention "unprecedented ALLEGATIONS of fraud." So because Trump and enough of his minions allege things often enough and loudly enough, I guess that's sufficient to overcome the certified results the states have submitted. No it's up to them to prove there's enough fraud to send the certificate back to the states. We will see. As far as being a minion, does that make members of your party Pelosi minions, or Hillary minions or something else ? Basically your party is about ABT (anyone but Trump). I get it - I don't have to like him personally to approve of what he's accomplished in 47 months or so. Kinda like working for a boss that you don't really like but gets things done. If JFK had been running against Trump, I might have voted for him. But the Democrats are too far left now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Looper said: And you must be a regular idiot who voted for a 47-year lifer with early onset dementia that you think is going to give you some of free stuff he got from China. Nothing "early" about onset at 78 years old. But setting aside your failure to properly recite the talking points your little tweeters give you ... yes, a lot of Americans - 7 million more than voted for the other guy - think it's worth taking a chance on a 78 year old lifer just to get a corrupt fool out of the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: And let's not dodge the context in which this whole "Pence can reject the certifications" theory. - Trump is openly pressuring him to do so - Trump's supporters are not so vaguely threatening him with execution (I'm not making this up; see what I just posted in the infamous "Q" thread) if he doesn't do it If somehow this happens we are into full banana republic territory. I don't think most Americans realize how dangerous this is, that the President is openly entertaining these takeover notions. Not just entertaining them; supporting them. And you think the Democrats condoning all of the Antifa and BLM riots while locking law-abiding citizens down is not moving into banana republic territory ? Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Nothing "early" about onset at 78 years old. But setting aside your failure to properly recite the talking points your little tweeters give you ... yes, a lot of Americans - 7 million more than voted for the other guy - think it's worth taking a chance on a 78 year old lifer just to get a corrupt fool out of the White House. Sorry you just lost credibility with your insult. Good luck to you with the old fool. Hope you get your open borders, packed Supreme Court, amnesty, college loan reimbursement and all of the other free ***** you want. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Looper said: "I'm really proud of my son" ... for putting Chinese millions in my grifting pocket and not spending it all on hookers and blow. Seriously the best you have against Biden is that his son is a douche. While Trump is a douche personified; an open tax-evading, witness-tampering, investigation-obstructing, money-laundering, Putin ass-kissing criminal. Weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Looper said: And you think the Democrats condoning all of the Antifa and BLM riots while locking law-abiding citizens down is not moving into banana republic territory ? No. I don't like the tepid law enforcement response to the riots in a lot of cities. But that is of a whole different magnitude than threatening the life of the VP if he doesn't take the illegitimate action you're urging him to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, Looper said: Since you are the resident election fraud genius here, do tell us about all of the Biden dumps in battleground states between 1:30-6:30am on election night. Tell us how Trump was up 700K votes in PA and lost. Go look at some of the probability studies that showed it was statistically impossible to overcome Trump's leads in WI/MI/PA/GA without cheating. They are not dumps, they are called mail-in ballots and because repubtards refused to let those ballots be precanvassed (that means counted prior to election night) those votes mostly for Biden lagged behind the initial counts. This was already debunked several times and has not held up in any court or post-election audit. Man, you Trump cultists need to take a break from conspiracy fantasy land. The orange buffoon lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, WideNine said: They are not dumps, they are called mail-in ballots and because repubtards refused to let those ballots be precanvassed (that means counted prior to election night) those votes mostly for Biden lagged behind the initial counts. This was already debunked several times and has not held up in any court or post-election audit. Man, you Trump cultists need to take a break from conspiracy fantasy land. The orange buffoon lost. No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Looper said: No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. Almost as full ofshit as the president 15 minutes ago, Looper said: Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Looper said: And you must be a regular idiot who voted for a 47-year lifer with early onset dementia that you think is going to give you some of free stuff he got from China. Yea just keep saying stupid ***** like that, it works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Looper said: No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. ? You mean the huge bill that passed the Democratic House? The same one Mitch McConnell will not act on in the Senate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Looper said: Only an idiot would believe Biden got 81 million "real" votes but since the people in power in the contested states are Demokkkrats or those who in bed with China, we will never know the truth. Why would someone like Ted Cruz put his reputation on the line to contest the election if he knew there was no cheating ? What were you saying 4 years ago ? Sheep like to be told what to do ... I was a Democrat years ago when I lived in Buffalo when they were JFK's party and not aligned with the radical left. Only a party with no viable platform would have to cheat to win an election. Fact is Trump should expose all of the congressional lifers in bed with lobbyists and foreign countries in both parties so Americans can see what kind of scum they elected. Any party that puts $14 million for gender studies in Pakistan in a Covid relief bill for Americans with a bunch of other unrelated pork is amoral scum. Four years ago I was not crying like a little biotch and being a sore loser. Ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Looper said: No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. When stupid people flood this site you know they are scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Looper said: No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. He kicked Trump’s pos rear end right out of the WH, sore loser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, Looper said: Since you are the resident election fraud genius here, do tell us about all of the Biden dumps in battleground states between 1:30-6:30am on election night. Tell us how Trump was up 700K votes in PA and lost. Go look at some of the probability studies that showed it was statistically impossible to overcome Trump's leads in WI/MI/PA/GA without cheating. There's lots of problems with that study. The most glaring be that all the mail in ballots that were counted as a 50/50 shot of going for Trump or Biden. Biden won the mail in ballots by a significant margin in most states. A statistical professor could use that probability study in how NOT to do statistical analysis. The disinformation out there pushed by bad actors on various social media platforms to confirm people's cognitive bias is why our country is completely screwed. Nobody will believe the results of the runoff today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Doc Brown said: Nobody will believe the results of the runoff today. Actually, most people will, but the minority that does not believe the results will have their voices amped to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: ? You mean the huge bill that passed the Democratic House? The same one Mitch McConnell will not act on in the Senate? And what was in the huge bill ? Tell us how much was allocated where and who put it in the bill ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: There's lots of problems with that study. The most glaring be that all the mail in ballots that were counted as a 50/50 shot of going for Trump or Biden. Biden won the mail in ballots by a significant margin in most states. A statistical professor could use that probability study in how NOT to do statistical analysis. The disinformation out there pushed by bad actors on various social media platforms to confirm people's cognitive bias is why our country is completely screwed. Nobody will believe the results of the runoff today. Someone told me today not the get the vaccine because it had aborted fetuses in it, they saw it on a video. And I like that person, but people sure believe some stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: There's lots of problems with that study. The most glaring be that all the mail in ballots that were counted as a 50/50 shot of going for Trump or Biden. Biden won the mail in ballots by a significant margin in most states. A statistical professor could use that probability study in how NOT to do statistical analysis. The disinformation out there pushed by bad actors on various social media platforms to confirm people's cognitive bias is why our country is completely screwed. Nobody will believe the results of the runoff today. Significant margin, but not at a percentage high enough to overcome Trump's leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: There's lots of problems with that study. The most glaring be that all the mail in ballots that were counted as a 50/50 shot of going for Trump or Biden. Biden won the mail in ballots by a significant margin in most states. A statistical professor could use that probability study in how NOT to do statistical analysis. The disinformation out there pushed by bad actors on various social media platforms to confirm people's cognitive bias is why our country is completely screwed. Nobody will believe the results of the runoff today. Correct. That "statistical study" was laugh-out-loud ridiculous, beginning with the assumption that the late-counted mail ballots would reflect exactly the same presidential preference as the in-person ballots. Here's an entertaining takedown: https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/09/more-on-statistical-stupidity-at-scotus/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Looper said: And what was in the huge bill ? Tell us how much was allocated where and who put it in the bill ... Special interest crap and they should've done a separate covid relief bill like the House passed a couple months earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Looper said: Significant margin, but not at a percentage high enough to overcome Trump's leads. The fact Biden won the state begs to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Looper said: Significant margin, but not at a percentage high enough to overcome Trump's leads. Interesting the study focused on only those four states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Someone told me today not the get the vaccine because it had aborted fetuses in it, they saw it on a video. And I like that person, but people sure believe some stuff But will it give me that adrenochrome thing too? I heard that's the fountain of youth. On a related point: flipping through channels I caught most of Idiocracy again last night. It is ... prophetic. Edited January 5, 2021 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Actually, most people will, but the minority that does not believe the results will have their voices amped to 11. Oh please. Abrams was whining about voter suppression when she lost and still hasn't conceded. Both sides are gullible to misinformation campaigns. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Interesting the study focused on only those four states. Correct - normal battleground states, not ones where either candidate was expected to win handily. 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Special interest crap and they should've done a separate covid relief bill like the House passed a couple months earlier. Special interest crap inserted by the Democrat controlled House. Edited January 5, 2021 by Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Looper said: Correct - normal battleground states, not ones where either candidate was expected to win handily. Special interest crap inserted by the Democrat controlled House. Well, that's legislation. Like the section 230 repeal language Trump wanted to tie to the defense reauthorization. By the way, I'm changing my mind on that 230 repeal thing. Watching the panic among the mega-conspiracy theorists when Twitter bans them tells me that maybe we need some kind of check on people throwing any and every ridiculous conspiracy theory out there. Right now it's something about how Chief Justice Roberts was in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein. If he could sue Twitter for not taking it down, maybe this crap would die out. Edited January 5, 2021 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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