oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, H2o said: I appreciate your thoughts and opinions my friend. We differ in how we see things as far as Trump and Biden go. Trump is a political outsider who was already rich when he obtained the office so he can't be bought, not like these career politicians who have turned their Office into a cash cow. He's not trying to be a dictator, he's trying to get everything turned back over to the people. He has fought tooth and nail against the rest of the corrupt politicians since the night he received enough Electoral votes to become POTUS. He had no peaceful transition, he was given no chance to just do his job, and those same corrupt politicians (with the help of the corrupt mainstream media) have done nothing, but slander and throw accusation after accusation his way while trying absolutely everything within their power to remove him from office. Why? Because he's stopped all the backhanded transactions they were using to amass their personal fortunes and is bringing down their plots to bring us into a One World Government system under the rule of the same Globalist Elite who run the Central Banking system. Biden is a 47 year politician who has really accomplished nothing outside of the 1994 Crime Bill, a bill which basically targeted blacks in general. There are numerous videos of him making racist statements, his strange to say the least touching/fondling/sniffing of women or children, and many times he's not able to put a coherent conversation together. There are also multiple instances of corruption he's been involved in whether it be himself or tied in through his family. Everyone, including the MSM, is turning a blind eye to it. Why might that be? Is it because Trump is really their enemy and not the people's? Everything since he has been elected has shown me what the Dem party is about and that is "win at all costs" no matter those who get caught up in the wash. They don't care about the people, they care about power. The power to impose their wil, their policies, and enslave us all. They don't care about the Constitution, they want to change it to fit their agenda. There's a reason they want bigger government, heavier financial burdens placed on us all, and a disarmed populace. Biden would be nothing more than a puppet of those pushing this agenda. His "plans" arer those dictated to him by the puppet masters pulling the strings. We'll just have to disagree. Ultimately what is needed to get us out of this nonsense is a viable third party that wrests control away from the two parties that only want to remain in power. I suggest formation of the 537 Party. You nee one person for each congressional district, two for each senate position per state, and a President and Vice President. If we could get 537 people who recognize that effective government means honest debate and dialog, that decisions on the main issues of the day require compromise and consensus, then we can get back to actually getting things done for the citizens of this nation. It didn't used to be this way. When Nixon the criminal occupied the office, both parties recognized the harm to the country. Reagan and Tip O'Neill were as diametrically opposed politically as any two people could be, but they would sit down for drinks at the White House on a regular basis, because they knew that governance required them to work together, as when they saved Social Security. We can do this again but we need people in DC that put country before party. Let's flip a coin. Winner can be President and loser Vice President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We'll just have to disagree. Ultimately what is needed to get us out of this nonsense is a viable third party that wrests control away from the two parties that only want to remain in power. I suggest formation of the 537 Party. You nee one person for each congressional district, two for each senate position per state, and a President and Vice President. If we could get 537 people who recognize that effective government means honest debate and dialog, that decisions on the main issues of the day require compromise and consensus, then we can get back to actually getting things done for the citizens of this nation. It didn't used to be this way. When Nixon the criminal occupied the office, both parties recognized the harm to the country. Reagan and Tip O'Neill were as diametrically opposed politically as any two people could be, but they would sit down for drinks at the White House on a regular basis, because they knew that governance required them to work together, as when they saved Social Security. We can do this again but we need people in DC that put country before party. Let's flip a coin. Winner can be President and loser Vice President. You allude to it that the Republican / Democrat paradigm is a huge mirage For this electio0n, the choice is outsider vs establishment (both Reb & Dem) Trump is massively upsetting the under the table cash available to both Reb & Dem from lobbyists and special interests both sides want him out, so the Congress critters can go back to feeding at the public trough and getting rich How is is that most politicians in Congress are multi-millionaires after being in office for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, spartacus said: You allude to it that the Republican / Democrat paradigm is a huge mirage For this electio0n, the choice is outsider vs establishment (both Reb & Dem) Trump is massively upsetting the under the table cash available to both Reb & Dem from lobbyists and special interests both sides want him out, so the Congress critters can go back to feeding at the public trough and getting rich How is is that most politicians in Congress are multi-millionaires after being in office for a while This election to me is about our form of government surviving. It should be abundantly clear Trump wants an autocratic government. Go back and look at Bannon's stuff before 2016 election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: I appreciate your thoughts and opinions my friend. We differ in how we see things as far as Trump and Biden go. Trump is a political outsider who was already rich when he obtained the office so he can't be bought, not like these career politicians who have turned their Office into a cash cow. He's not trying to be a dictator, he's trying to get everything turned back over to the people. He has fought tooth and nail against the rest of the corrupt politicians since the night he received enough Electoral votes to become POTUS. He had no peaceful transition, he was given no chance to just do his job, and those same corrupt politicians (with the help of the corrupt mainstream media) have done nothing, but slander and throw accusation after accusation his way while trying absolutely everything within their power to remove him from office. Why? Because he's stopped all the backhanded transactions they were using to amass their personal fortunes and is bringing down their plots to bring us into a One World Government system under the rule of the same Globalist Elite who run the Central Banking system. Biden is a 47 year politician who has really accomplished nothing outside of the 1994 Crime Bill, a bill which basically targeted blacks in general. There are numerous videos of him making racist statements, his strange to say the least touching/fondling/sniffing of women or children, and many times he's not able to put a coherent conversation together. There are also multiple instances of corruption he's been involved in whether it be himself or tied in through his family. Everyone, including the MSM, is turning a blind eye to it. Why might that be? Is it because Trump is really their enemy and not the people's? Everything since he has been elected has shown me what the Dem party is about and that is "win at all costs" no matter those who get caught up in the wash. They don't care about the people, they care about power. The power to impose their wil, their policies, and enslave us all. They don't care about the Constitution, they want to change it to fit their agenda. There's a reason they want bigger government, heavier financial burdens placed on us all, and a disarmed populace. Biden would be nothing more than a puppet of those pushing this agenda. His "plans" are those dictated to him by the puppet masters pulling the strings. If only that was true. Just look at UD government and foreign government spending at Trump Properties since the election. Look at money given Trump family members from the campaigns. Trump has profited off being president and Trump has shown he only cares about Trump. This is a man who used funds from a charity to buy a Ton Tebow jersey and a painting from himself. This is a man who pays $70,000 a year for America's second worst haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This election to me is about our form of government surviving. It should be abundantly clear Trump wants an autocratic government. Go back and look at Bannon's stuff before 2016 election. Trump is not the one threatening to add additional justices to the Supreme Court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, spartacus said: Trump is not the one threatening to add additional justices to the Supreme Court Adding Justices to the Supreme Court and is Constitutional and has been done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, Backintheday544 said: Adding Justices to the Supreme Court and is Constitutional and has been done before. it's not something you do if trying to "maintain our form of govt"- which is what was the stated concern it's what you do when you want to legislate from the court because you can't pass what you want in Congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: it's not something you do if trying to "maintain our form of govt"- which is what was the stated concern it's what you do when you want to legislate from the court because you can't pass what you want in Congress If the polls hold and Dems control the House, Senate and White House, it seems to me almost a mandate by the American people to pack the court and bring balance back to the Court. 4 minutes ago, spartacus said: it's not something you do if trying to "maintain our form of govt"- which is what was the stated concern it's what you do when you want to legislate from the court because you can't pass what you want in Congress Also you do realize this is what McConnell for the Republicans has been doing? He held up as many of Obama's judges as possible, including a Supreme Court judge and now has been ramming them through as fast as he can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: If the polls hold and Dems control the House, Senate and White House, it seems to me almost a mandate by the American people to pack the court and bring balance back to the Court. Also you do realize this is what McConnell for the Republicans has been doing? He held up as many of Obama's judges as possible, including a Supreme Court judge and now has been ramming them through as fast as he can? McConnell is not creating new seats he is filling open seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, spartacus said: McConnell is not creating new seats he is filling open seats Open seats that should have been filled by Obama but he purposely subverted the will of the people to keep open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Open seats that should have been filled by Obama but he purposely subverted the will of the people to keep open. you claim open seats should have been filled by the Senate under Obama to maintain the "will of the people" However, it seems since 2014, the "will of the people" has been to elect more Republican Senators than Democrats Based on the actual vote on who approves judges, the "will of the people" is they want the Constitution followed and not "interpretted" by liberal feelings The Senate has been following the will of the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: you claim open seats should have been filled by the Senate under Obama to maintain the "will of the people" However, it seems since 2014, the "will of the people" has been to elect more Republican Senators than Democrats Based on the actual vote on who approves judges, the "will of the people" is they want the Constitution followed and not "interpretted" by liberal feelings The Senate has been following the will of the people And the Senate will follow the will of the people when the Dems take it back and add some seats to the Supreme Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 19 hours ago, H2o said: Thank you for the information my friend. A much appreciated reference and breakdown. There was a blue wave in the House, but the Republicans did manage to flip seats in the Senate. I believe that the House was more of the Dems focus in 2018 because they felt it was more vulnerable and did a lot more campaign work. We shall see in how it shakes out in 26 days. Plus a week to count mail ins plus litigation after someone inevitably disagrees with the results 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 hours ago, spartacus said: it's not something you do if trying to "maintain our form of govt"- which is what was the stated concern it's what you do when you want to legislate from the court because you can't pass what you want in Congress It would not agree with that. But our form of government has three coequal branches. Biden believes in that and Trump does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: It would not agree with that. But our form of government has three coequal branches. Biden believes in that and Trump does not. please explain- because you have it backwards Biden was VP to the master of the executive order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: please explain- because you have it backwards Biden was VP to the master of the executive order Executive orders are generally not good; President’s if both parties use them too much. Biden and Obama accepted decisions of the court. When Congress subpoenaed people in the Administration they went. The Trump administration routinely ignores the Congress, they have placed a number of people rated as unqualified to the judiciary, and Trump has said under the Second Article he has unlimited power. He wants an autocratic government where he is not checked by the other two branches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Executive orders are generally not good; President’s if both parties use them too much. Biden and Obama accepted decisions of the court. When Congress subpoenaed people in the Administration they went. The Trump administration routinely ignores the Congress, they have placed a number of people rated as unqualified to the judiciary, and Trump has said under the Second Article he has unlimited power. He wants an autocratic government where he is not checked by the other two branches. you insuate Trump foes not follow the decisions of the Supreme court- please elaborate, I am not aware of these transgressions you must have missed the Russia investigation and impeachment fiasco - during which the Trump admin cooperated fully please provide examples of your above claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: This is a man who pays $70,000 a year for America's second worst haircut. This is a great point. I mean, he can get the same result from a free barber school cut. It certainly calls into question his judgment skills. 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: If the polls hold and Dems control the House, Senate and White House, it seems to me almost a mandate by the American people to pack the court and bring balance back to the Court. These conditions have held before -- but there was no call to pack the Court. Why would that be different today? Why remove all checks and balances? 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: It would not agree with that. But our form of government has three coequal branches. Biden believes in that and Trump does not. That can't be true if Biden supports packing the Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, spartacus said: you insuate Trump foes not follow the decisions of the Supreme court- please elaborate, I am not aware of these transgressions you must have missed the Russia investigation and impeachment fiasco - during which the Trump admin cooperated fully please provide examples of your above claims McGann and Bolton come to mind 9 minutes ago, snafu said: This is a great point. I mean, he can get the same result from a free barber school cut. It certainly calls into question his judgment skills. These conditions have held before -- but there was no call to pack the Court. Why would that be different today? Why remove all checks and balances? That can't be true if Biden supports packing the Court. The Constitution does not state a specific number of justices. I would not agree with adding justices but if the Senate, House and Executive branch all go Democrat then you could make the same argument Republicans are making, namely that the people through the elective process are telling their government what they want on the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: If only that was true. Just look at UD government and foreign government spending at Trump Properties since the election. Look at money given Trump family members from the campaigns. Trump has profited off being president and Trump has shown he only cares about Trump. This is a man who used funds from a charity to buy a Ton Tebow jersey and a painting from himself. This is a man who pays $70,000 a year for America's second worst haircut. Mark Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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