Tiberius Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So we should throw more women in jail for better representation? That's a dumb point The majority of people should have a say in making and enforcing the laws. Ever hear of the Enlightenment? 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Left or Right, Bush, Obama, or Trump. When I look at my life I just have to say I don't notice any difference. I go to work every day, pay my taxes (which keep going up), pay my bills, try to save a couple bucks, and go about my business and go out of my way not to bother anybody.. Same with all my neighbors, friends, co-workers, and acquaintances. I think that's the way it is with most people no matter where they live or whatever their background and make up might be. Maybe the people on the fringe left or right one percent see it differently but I suspect the majority of Americans feel just like I do. If everybody just did that we might not have any problems or certainly a lot fewer. But there's always somebody trying to push their crap on somebody else. I know lots of liberals and lots of conservatives and they don't support fringe elements on either side of the isle. Nobody sits around and suggests we need more poverty or more racism and bias, or more poorly uneducated citizens or more homeless or worse healthcare for people. The debate is about the solutions and how to go about it all. Most of this left/right is just election year political theater. And no matter who wins the election the next day me and everybody else will get up and do it all over again. Like it was once said "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss". It's real. There are differences. I get the false equvilency to deflect from the main point though. Bad rhetorical device So Biden and Trump are the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That's a dumb point The majority of people should have a say in making and enforcing the laws. Ever hear of the Enlightenment? It's real. There are differences. I get the false equvilency to deflect from the main point though. Bad rhetorical device So Biden and Trump are the same? And what is the main point? Your argument is its morally acceptable for the majority to impose their will on the minority but not the other way around. How far are the willing to go? And who will stop them if they go to far? Most people are middle of the road and most people don't embrace or participate in the current political activism. And many who do go along with it do so because its fashionable and their livelihood depends on the opinions of others or they lack the courage to speak their mind. As for Trump and Biden being the same the answer is both are funded and bankrolled by more or less the same "Davos" crowd of billionaires and elites. As were Obama and Bush. So yes the results from either are going to be at the core the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RochesterRob Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said: This spam was brought to you by a fool. FIFY. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: And what is the main point? That the will of the majority is being subverted 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: The majority of people should have a say in making and enforcing the laws. Ever hear of the Enlightenment? Where do you live? Do your local laws not reflect your beliefs? When I lived in NY I felt they did not therefore I moved to Florida. What national law do you see changing that effects you that you can not deal with locally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Where do you live? Do your local laws not reflect your beliefs? When I lived in NY I felt they did not therefore I moved to Florida. What national law do you see changing that effects you that you can not deal with locally? National laws of course affect me. I have less of a say, my vote counts for less, than a person who lives in a small rural state. Not fair. That will have to change. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: National laws of course affect me. I have less of a say, my vote counts for less, than a person who lives in a small rural state. Not fair. That will have to change. Your beef is simply with the electoral college because it enabled Trump's victory in 2016. And the popular vote went to Clinton because of big majorities in large "Blue" states. So the solution is to change the rules? That requires a change to Article II section 1 of the Constitution. And any change to the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority of states to ratify. It seems doubtful 2/3rds of the states would agree to that change. So just deal with it and hope your party doesn't ignore the swing states like Clinton did in 2016. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: National laws of course affect me. I have less of a say, my vote counts for less, than a person who lives in a small rural state. Not fair. That will have to change. You do realize that the Senate is not representative of population, right? Don't tell me you missed that day in school also? Did you EVER attend class? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Your beef is simply with the electoral college because it enabled Trump's victory in 2016. And the popular vote went to Clinton because of big majorities in large "Blue" states. So the solution is to change the rules? That requires a change to Article II section 1 of the Constitution. And any change to the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority of states to ratify. It seems doubtful 2/3rds of the states would agree to that change. So just deal with it and hope your party doesn't ignore the swing states like Clinton did in 2016. Interesting how very few have had any issue with the EC until Trump. Had the results been reversed and Trump won the majority and Clinton won the EC would ANY of those crying on the left have had a problem with it? Rhetorical question of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Interesting how very few have had any issue with the EC until Trump. Had the results been reversed and Trump won the majority and Clinton won the EC would ANY of those crying on the left have had a problem with it? Rhetorical question of course. Oh don't worry, they hated it in 2000 as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 LEFT_________________________________________________________________CENTER_________________________________________________________RIGHT "That's not true" ------- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Oh don't worry, they hated it in 2000 as well. It's almost like they don't understand the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: It's almost like they don't understand the Constitution. They do... right up to the point where it becomes inconvenient for them. Then suddenly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize that the Senate is not representative of population, right? Don't tell me you missed that day in school also? Did you EVER attend class? Lol, yes, that’s my whole point you idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Lol, yes, that’s my whole point you idiot Am I an idiot for stating a FACT? Or am I an idiot for not knowing what the fxck you’re blathering on about now? Give it a rest Tibs. Go find a little third world country somewhere where you can start your ‘revolution’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Am I an idiot for stating a FACT? Or am I an idiot for not knowing what the fxck you’re blathering on about now? Give it a rest Tibs. Go find a little third world country somewhere where you can start your ‘revolution’. Your fact is 100% totally correct and I agree with it. You made my argument for me, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Your fact is 100% totally correct and I agree with it. You made my argument for me, thanks. So you’d like to ‘defund the senate’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: So you’d like to ‘defund the senate’? Realizing his error, he reverts to asking really stupid questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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