Dr. Fong Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Terrific, we now have a Pope that was a Hitler Youth. Congratulations. I need a drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Ahh...I see. Wasn't exactly happy with the decision then, eh? 308987[/snapback] August 26-September 28, 1978, That was all he tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 A European Pope shouldn't surprise anyone, that's where the Catholic Church has the most problems. 309005[/snapback] And the most Catholics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Same here, but then again, I'm Jewish! 309007[/snapback] , great answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Terrific, we now have a Pope that was a Hitler Youth. Congratulations. I need a drink. 309008[/snapback] Was he really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 While Hitler Youth story is true....a little unfair without painting the full picture. I am not greatly enthusiastic about this--but I am willing to give Benedict the 16th a chance...strong faith and belief in the doctrines is important--but so is the compassion of Jesus... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%...72667%2C00.html The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times. In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941. He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer. Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp. Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 While Hitler Youth story is true....a little unfair without painting the full picture http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%...72667%2C00.html In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941. 309018[/snapback] It seems then that you could pretty much pin that sort of stuff on all Germans alive at that time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Not to turn this into a whole big religious debate, but if it's Ratzinger, I'm never setting foot in a Catholic church again. 308970[/snapback] Looks like you gots a decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Let's hope this pope gets with the 21st century and 1: Allows priests to marry, 2: Allows women priests, 3: Denounces papal infallability, 4: Allows the divorced and openly gay people to fully be members of the church in every way. If that doesn't happen, I ain't coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Was he really? 309017[/snapback] A Sunday Times of London profile on Ratzinger, saying his doctrinal watchdog role has earned him uncomplimentary nicknames like "God's rottweiler," reported on the cardinal's "brief membership" in the Hitler Youth movement and service, in the final stretch of World War II, in a German anti-aircraft unit. In his memoirs, Ratzinger speaks openly of being enrolled in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He says he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood. Two years later he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common fate for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. Enrolled as a soldier at 18, in the last months of the war, he barely finished basic training. Here's the full article . Google around and you'll see other references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Looks like you gots a decision to make. 309025[/snapback] Nope, no decision. I'm not going back. I respect those of you that are adherents to your faith even in the face of a leadership that doesn't represent you. I just can't stomach it anymore. Cardinal Law at the Pope's funeral was almost enough for me. This is the final straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg de'Ville Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Let's hope this pope gets with the 21st century and 1: Allows priests to marry, 2: Allows women priests, 3: Denounces papal infallability, 4: Allows the divorced and openly gay people to fully be members of the church in every way. If that doesn't happen, I ain't coming back. 309027[/snapback] Not gonna happen. Ratzinger is as conservative/orthodox as they come. He's 78 (20 years older than JP II at time he was elected), so it stands to reason Ratzinger's reign as pontiff won't be near as long as his predecessor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nope, no decision. I'm not going back. I respect those of you that are adherents to your faith even in the face of a leadership that doesn't represent you. I just can't stomach it anymore. Cardinal Law at the Pope's funeral was almost enough for me. This is the final straw. 309031[/snapback] Way to keep the faith, and so forgiving too. Were you ever a christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nope, no decision. I'm not going back. I respect those of you that are adherents to your faith even in the face of a leadership that doesn't represent you. I just can't stomach it anymore. Cardinal Law at the Pope's funeral was almost enough for me. This is the final straw. 309031[/snapback] Don't look at me, I'm Lutheran, wee'z ain't looked at to kindly by them folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Not to turn this into a whole big religious debate, but if it's Ratzinger, I'm never setting foot in a Catholic church again. 308970[/snapback] indeed. i gave up a looooooooooong time ago, but ratzinger is an arch-reactionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I could have sworn they were going to go with John Secola. Pope-Secola!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I could have sworn they were going to go with John Secola. Pope-Secola!!! 309041[/snapback] Where did you find that avatar.....niiiice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Don't look at me, I'm Lutheran, wee'z ain't looked at to kindly by them folk. 309038[/snapback] Bah. My priest had no problem marrying wendy & I and she was a lutheran. If course, my church was quite liberal for being catholic. Not liberal enough for me, though. I quit the church because I couldn't stand it any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Where did you find that avatar.....niiiice.... 309042[/snapback] Go to Google, click on "Images" and then type in "Thongs". You'll have a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I could have sworn they were going to go with John Secola. Pope-Secola!!! 309041[/snapback] That was funny... Ratzinger is a borderline fascist...These are dark times in the Catholic Church. We're gonna lose even more faithful Catholics. Sigh - at least JP II had a social justice conscience. Mended old wounds across the world. Even Muslims loved him. Rat has a his own "ultra conservative" agenda. He's gonna reopen some old wounds. I really, really hope I'm wrong about all of this. I see liberal priests being made to "toe the line." Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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