Chalkie Gerzowski Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Lets trade everybody for future draft picks!!! YaY!!!!! We'll be the youngest team in the NFL but who cares because our fans won't be bored with the draft... Let Nate atleast finish his contract here as opposed to obtaining picks in one of the shittiest drafts in recent years. < Rant Off> 307933[/snapback] That way, we can finally maybe make the playoffs.....right around the time the Jets get their new stadium...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 If we were on the cusp of winning the SB this year I'd say keep him. But we're not. What are you talking about??? We upgraded the only problem on the team, we're going to win the next 4 Superbowls (take THAT Brady!). CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I feel that there are a bunch of good football players to be had in the second round. If Clements does get traded for a 9th overall. I think we should trade down into the latter part of the first (saves cap $)for a quality corner ie. Pac Man Jones. Only if we are given a second in return for the trade. Then pick up a quality center or a left tackle then a wr with our 55th pick. And if the Henry to the Eagles deal or the Bucs go through that could give us the potential to have 3, 2nd round picks. I like this alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 What is all this craziness about trading Nate? Everyone wants so bad to be clever. Any more clever and we will be the cleverest 0-16 team in the league. You do not improve a team by dumping its best players. You improve a team by keeping its best players and replacing the marginal ones. Don't get me wrong, I think the fans here tend to over rate him because of the big plays he makes now and then. What worries me are the plays he makes the other way like not knocking down that 4th down pass against the Jags and fumbling a punt against the Steelers. Even so, you don't dump a solid CB like Nate if it can be at all avoided. You just don't. Of course, I would have said the same thing about Pat Williams. 307995[/snapback] Mickey, I think that much of this comes down to the fact that we are a small market, cold weather franchise with an owner who although is not cheap, is far less wealthy than his cohorts. Does RW have 15 million to give as a signing bonus, to a cornerback no less? If so, does NC want to play here? You bring up Pat Williams. Notice that not one but two replacements for him were drafted. Personally, I think that this is the best way for the Bills to go when possible. The team stays young, and the players cost less, at least initially. PW is not going to get any better at his age. I would like to see the Bills stockpile draft picks, as did NE and the Eagles. Imo, this, and good selections is the best avenue for the Bills to win a superbowl. I am a fan of NC, but even at that, I am against paying him a huge percentage of the Bills total salary cap allotment. He IS a cornerback. I dont want to see him and Mike Williams approach 20% of the payroll. No, imo, salaries such as this should be reserved for the likes of Peyton Manning, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc., NOT a corner. Again, jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 This era DOES favor the offensive player. That's why I don't want to pay him next year what he will command. He's a terriffic CB, but we have to get something for him before he leaves. If we were on the cusp of winning the SB this year I'd say keep him. But we're not. Let's trade him for the best possible deal and move forward. 308020[/snapback] My remarks were in response to Cincy's about Miami's CB Rolle, not Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 What is all this craziness about trading Nate? Everyone wants so bad to be clever. Any more clever and we will be the cleverest 0-16 team in the league. You do not improve a team by dumping its best players. You improve a team by keeping its best players and replacing the marginal ones. 307995[/snapback] Welcome to TBD! If you don't hear crap like this at least once a day, then this board is dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Mickey, I think that much of this comes down to the fact that we are a small market, cold weather franchise with an owner who although is not cheap, is far less wealthy than his cohorts. Does RW have 15 million to give as a signing bonus, to a cornerback no less? If so, does NC want to play here? You bring up Pat Williams. Notice that not one but two replacements for him were drafted. Personally, I think that this is the best way for the Bills to go when possible. The team stays young, and the players cost less, at least initially. PW is not going to get any better at his age. I would like to see the Bills stockpile draft picks, as did NE and the Eagles. Imo, this, and good selections is the best avenue for the Bills to win a superbowl. I am a fan of NC, but even at that, I am against paying him a huge percentage of the Bills total salary cap allotment. He IS a cornerback. I dont want to see him and Mike Williams approach 20% of the payroll. No, imo, salaries such as this should be reserved for the likes of Peyton Manning, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc., NOT a corner. Again, jmo. 308129[/snapback] A point here, though, is that NE and Philadelphia let several of their good players walk away with nothing in return. Law, Milloy, Trotter, Vincent, Andruzzi, Patten, and Taylor are just some of the guys both these teams released for nothing in return. The only starter I remember from either team being traded instead of released was Tebucky Jones. Bledsoe and Feely were traded for high picks, but both of those guys were backups, not starters. So if the Bills were to act like the SB teams from last year, they'd get all they could out of Clements this year, and then let him go if he asks for too much. It represents a 'win-now' mentality that the Bills will need to embrace to take the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 He IS a cornerback. I dont want to see him and Mike Williams approach 20% of the payroll. No, imo, salaries such as this should be reserved for the likes of Peyton Manning, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc., NOT a corner. Again, jmo. 308129[/snapback] I think salaries should be reserved for the BEST PLAYERS on the team irrespective of the position. A CB is as equally important to the team as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Personally, I wouldn't take any of these guys over Nate: Aaron Rodgers* QB, California Ronnie Brown RB, Auburn Braylon Edwards WR, Michigan Mike Williams* WR, USC Alex Smith* QB, Utah Antrel Rolle CB, Miami Carnell Williams RB, Auburn Carlos Rogers CB, Auburn 307947[/snapback] You are insane, Edwards is going to be a star in this league for 10-12 years. The guy has everything Larry Fitz and Roy had coming out of school. If someone offerred me clements for edwards Id take it NO MATTER WHAT the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 You are insane, Edwards is going to be a star in this league for 10-12 years. The guy has everything Larry Fitz and Roy had coming out of school. If someone offerred me clements for edwards Id take it NO MATTER WHAT the situation. 308163[/snapback] Sorry, not on a team that already has Lee Evans and Eric Moulds. That would be about the stupidest move we could possibly make with a hypothetical #9 pick. Same goes for WR Mike Williams. And you have no idea what Edwards is going to turn out to be... We know what Clements is as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 You are insane, Edwards is going to be a star in this league for 10-12 years. The guy has everything Larry Fitz and Roy had coming out of school. If someone offerred me clements for edwards Id take it NO MATTER WHAT the situation. 308163[/snapback] Nobody is a sure thing in the NFL, especially for 10-12 years in the future. Peyton Manning was as sure a thing as there is in the NFL (size, pedigree, skills, school, experience, national championship, smarts) and still most GMs thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hey, does anyone know the player TB is offering? It says in the Insider piece that they were interested in a player for player deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Im sick of the damn trading clements talks, just stop seriously until Donahoe talks about it being an option, STFU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Sweet....it will be interesting to see what happens here!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfarr00 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I feel that there are a bunch of good football players to be had in the second round. If Clements does get traded for a 9th overall. I think we should trade down into the latter part of the first (saves cap $)for a quality corner ie. Pac Man Jones. Only if we are given a second in return for the trade. Then pick up a quality center or a left tackle then a wr with our 55th pick. And if the Henry to the Eagles deal or the Bucs go through that could give us the potential to have 3, 2nd round picks. I like this alot. 308049[/snapback] wow, i feel so much better about those second round players now. thanks eagle eye. fyi. jones will go top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJsackedagain Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Question for the board: Has anyone seen in print from a credible source (or even the Buffalo Snooze) that the Bills are talking about a deal with the Redskins for Nate, or is this all wild speculation???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuffan34 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nate is the best player on the Bills. Trade him? WTF? 307961[/snapback] No, that's TKO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Personally, I wouldn't take any of these guys over Nate: Aaron Rodgers* QB, California Ronnie Brown RB, Auburn Braylon Edwards WR, Michigan Mike Williams* WR, USC Alex Smith* QB, Utah Antrel Rolle CB, Miami Carnell Williams RB, Auburn Carlos Rogers CB, Auburn 307947[/snapback] Except Antel Rolle... He will be solid. One thing I am hoping for from this years draft is to lock our plyayers up to 6yr deals, instead of these 4 and 5 yr deals donahoe typically signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Question for the board: Has anyone seen in print from a credible source (or even the Buffalo Snooze) that the Bills are talking about a deal with the Redskins for Nate, or is this all wild speculation???? 308481[/snapback] Considering this is draft week and every team will be posturing, why would there be any credible source of such a deal. Even the newspaper guys are probably speculating as that is what makes this whole thing interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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