Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: That's the 7th time you twisted that. I said, and I repeat, I said we should be smart enough to know when to give them up, and strong enough to not let them take advantage in extreme circumstances It's not twisting. You just repeated it. You NEVER give up your innate rights. EVER. EVER. EVER. There's no scenario where it's appropriate to do so. Yet you're arguing that not only there are scenarios where it's appropriate, but that the very government you are complaining about being too powerful should be the one to determine WHEN the people give up their rights. You're literally too stupid to realize you're arguing against yourself. I'm not twisting a thing.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: No no no don't go back to that. We still want to find out how roadblocks are a violation of your rights. Because forever and ever they couldn't stop you without a reason Just now, Deranged Rhino said: It's not twisting. You just repeated it. You NEVER give up your innate rights. EVER. EVER. EVER. There's no scenario where it's appropriate to do so. Yet you're arguing that not only there are scenarios where it's appropriate, but that the very government you are complaining about being too powerful should be the one to determine WHEN the people give up their rights. You're literally too stupid to realize you're arguing against yourself. I'm not twisting a thing. ...and the examples I gave are rights you gave up
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Same thing. Also, the draws may be used as compliance for a crime. They might drug test you for years, while all other Americans don't get tested. Even though everyone else is doing the exact same thing, I guess cuz I got caught I lost my rights? Wrong. People giving up their rights out of fear is the whole point of this conversation. Being scared into coercion doesn't mean the right was gone. You just gave it away. People absolutely forfeit their rights when they commit crimes. Which rights depend on which crimes, of course, but that is a different conversation and not relevant to the average American citizen. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: ...and the examples I gave are rights you gave up Wrong. You listed things that aren't inalienable rights. As I said, you're real dumb.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Wrong. People giving up their rights out of fear is the whole point of this conversation. Being scared into coercion doesn't mean the right was gone. You just gave it away. People absolutely forfeit their rights when they commit crimes. Which rights depend on which crimes, of course, but that is a different conversation and not relevant to the average American citizen. People fear of DWI is why the police can set up roadblocks anywhere anytime 1
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Because forever and ever they couldn't stop you without a reason Who is being stopped for no reason? Damn I have a few back to back meetings I need to get to. Such shame because this is amazingly interesting.
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: No coercion there. You do realize it is not the government infringing upon your rights when your company wants to drug test you?
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Wrong. You listed things that aren't inalienable rights. As I said, you're real dumb. Duhhr hurr cuz moving from place to place wasn't an inalienable right. It was BORN to require a license, insurance, inspection, and 10k other things
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: People fear of DWI is why the police can set up roadblocks anywhere anytime 1
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: People fear of DWI is why the police can set up roadblocks anywhere anytime People should fear DUI. And DWI?? Where you from? 3
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Who is being stopped for no reason? Damn I have a few back to back meetings I need to get to. Such shame because this is amazingly interesting. Anyone who stops at a road check is being stopped for no reason
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: People fear of DWI is why the police can set up roadblocks anywhere anytime Yeah, I still don't see how roadblocks are a violation of rights. If I shut a road down for utility construction is that also a violation of your rights? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Duhhr hurr cuz moving from place to place wasn't an inalienable right. It was BORN to require a license, insurance, inspection, and 10k other things Were you born with a 2 ton automobile attached to your person or no? Can you travel freely without a car? Yes. You're wrong. All the way. But keep digging in. It's working out well for you. 1
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-stops/can-the-police-set-up-roadblocks-for-any-reason-.html
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 This is STILL going on down here? daz, bro what is happening?
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: https://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-stops/can-the-police-set-up-roadblocks-for-any-reason-.html The reaction was your logic in how they got that power. You said it was granted because of people's fears of DWI's which is blisteringly stupid.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Were you born with a 2 ton automobile attached to your person or no? Can you travel freely without a car? Yes. You're wrong. All the way. But keep digging in. It's working out well for you. Was I born with a license plate? Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said: This is STILL going on down here? daz, bro what is happening? DR feels threatened
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Was I born with a license plate? Once again, proving my point
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Was I born with a license plate? DR feels threatened I highly doubt that. 2
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The reaction was your logic in how they got that power. You said it was granted because of people's fears of DWI's which is blisteringly stupid. Read the Supreme Court case rationale then tell me I'm stupid
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