B-Man Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: That's both sides. No. I won't play the "everybody's guilty" dodge. There are zealots (if you will) on both sides. But, as can be easily demonstrated over the past twenty years, it is the democrat party that will NOT compromise on any issue. GOP does that to a much lesser extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You’re going to blame the lobbyists? Because politicians have sold us out to the highest bidder the bidders are the ones at fault? Did I assign blame, or are you again supposing I did? I blame the system. I'm all about taking the money out of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, daz28 said: The best way for the government to work for all of us is to have compromises, which work for both sides. This all-or-nothing approach we're seeing right now is the real problem. It seems that whoever has the upper hand doesn't really even have to bat a lash at what the other half of Americans want/need. We are truly headed towards a country divided, so don't forget that the if the progressives do take power, you'll know exactly how the other half felt when they were left out. Also, for everyone here who treats this thread as a way to bash Democrats, you'd think you'd be perfectly happy to believe that the Democrats did nothing. What do you want/need that you're being deprived of? What are you being "left out" of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rob's House said: What do you want/need that you're being deprived of? What are you being "left out" of? A well functioning government that manages to compromise to meet the needs of all the people. If you want an example, did you like the way Schiff went Nazi on the impeachment? Do you think most people were happy with a trial with no witnesses, and several not allowed to testify? Edited May 10, 2020 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 The Left Is at War With the Little Sisters of the Poor. You may not be interested in the gleichschaltung, but the gleichschaltung is interested in you. But, as always, make it painful and they will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: A well functioning government that manages to compromise to meet the needs of all the people That's a non answer, but that's what I expected. What "needs" aren't being met? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: That's a non answer, but that's what I expected. What "needs" aren't being met? I edited to give you examples. No need to be snarky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: A well functioning government that manages to compromise to meet the needs of all the people. If you want an example, did you like the way Schiff went Nazi on the impeachment? Do you think most people were happy with a trial with no witnesses, and several not allowed to testify? Obviously impeachment was a political sham, but I don't see how it relates to compromise to meet the needs of the people. What "needs of the people" are the Democrats trying to meet where the Republicans refuse to compromise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Obviously impeachment was a political sham, but I don't see how it relates to compromise to meet the needs of the people. What "needs of the people" are the Democrats trying to meet where the Republicans refuse to compromise? The average approval rating for Congress has been 17% for over 10 years, so I think it might be easier for you to tell me what needs actually HAVE been met. If you want to know how they could have met the needs of the people during impeachment, maybe we'd have been happier to have gotten all the information, and then decided for ourselves what was true?? All witnesses, no closed door meetings. Instead we got a circus. Edited May 10, 2020 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: The average approval rating for Congress has been 17% for over 10 years, so I think it might be easier for you to tell me what needs actually HAVE been met. If you want to know how they could have met the needs of the people during impeachment, maybe we'd have been happier to have gotten all the information, and then decided for ourselves what was true?? All witnesses, no closed door meetings. Instead we got a circus. I agree that impeachment was a circus, but your example runs counter to your position. Yes, the Democrats ran a sham impeachment for political purposes rather than addressing the needs of the country, but where have they been prevented from meeting the needs of the country due to the Republicans' refusal to compromise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: I agree that impeachment was a circus, but your example runs counter to your position. Yes, the Democrats ran a sham impeachment for political purposes rather than addressing the needs of the country, but where have they been prevented from meeting the needs of the country due to the Republicans' refusal to compromise? You're obviously not even attempting to understand. The Republicans could have had witnesses. C'mon man you're really not even trying. If you think the Democrats are the only problem, then you're the problem, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, daz28 said: You're obviously not even attempting to understand. The Republicans could have had witnesses. C'mon man you're really not even trying. If you think the Democrats are the only problem, then you're the problem, too. If the best example you have is the bogus impeachment process, you're really not making your case. We hashed that issue out in great detail at the time and I'm not going to relitigate it here other than to say that there was zero compromise on the part of the Democrats, and there was no basis for giving them a second attempt to manufacture evidence after they determined that the evidence they developed in the house was overwhelming. And comparing the Senate impeachment trial to a criminal trial is not a discussion worth having. If that's the best example of Democrats attempt to meet the "needs" of the people being blocked by the refusal of Republicans to compromise, it appears this problem is not much of a problem after all. It appears the Democrats' decision to focus on politics over addressing the "needs" of their constituents may be the bigger problem. Edited May 10, 2020 by Rob's House 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, daz28 said: A well functioning government that manages to compromise to meet the needs of all the people. If you want an example, did you like the way Schiff went Nazi on the impeachment? Do you think most people were happy with a trial with no witnesses, and several not allowed to testify? ....you cannot be serious.......do you really think compromise means meeting the needs of the people versus what is BEST SELF SERVING TO ME?.....I certainly hope that you do not think that WE takes precedent over a politician's ME....how can you diminish their primary function of personal aggrandizement and enrichment?.....good Lord, we're in trouble then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 The Dem's process of getting a nomination this time came up with this guy: The party of the blue collar working man: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Did I assign blame, or are you again supposing I did? I blame the system. I'm all about taking the money out of politics. You blame the system. I blame the people who created and run the system. You can’t blame something that was created you blame the creators. Back to the drug analogy. If there were no drug addicts there’d be no drug dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 hours ago, daz28 said: Pretty much every issue Spot on, and now those children have parents. We call them corporate lobbyists That's both sides. I guess you weren't/aren't serious. Every issue should be compromised on? What a crockofshit. Have you ever taken a stand on something in your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Rob's House said: If the best example you have is the bogus impeachment process, you're really not making your case. We hashed that issue out in great detail at the time and I'm not going to relitigate it here other than to say that there was zero compromise on the part of the Democrats, and there was no basis for giving them a second attempt to manufacture evidence after they determined that the evidence they developed in the house was overwhelming. And comparing the Senate impeachment trial to a criminal trial is not a discussion worth having. If that's the best example of Democrats attempt to meet the "needs" of the people being blocked by the refusal of Republicans to compromise, it appears this problem is not much of a problem after all. It appears the Democrats' decision to focus on politics over addressing the "needs" of their constituents may be the bigger problem. Ok you're right. Congress is a mess, and always has been only because of the Democrats(who used to the Republicans). If only the Democrats got Covid, and all died, then Congress would be a finely tuned machine that met the needs of all the people all the time, because the Republicans would instantly remove all money involved in politics, which in turn would leave only the needs of the average American citizen at heart. Gotcha. To think I was really always this naïve. I feel ashamed. 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I guess you weren't/aren't serious. Every issue should be compromised on? What a crockofshit. Have you ever taken a stand on something in your life? Yes, and sometimes I get what I want, sometimes I have to compromise. So you're saying if you own a business with someone else, you don't have to compromise? You just make a stand, and always get what you want? 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You blame the system. I blame the people who created and run the system. You can’t blame something that was created you blame the creators. Back to the drug analogy. If there were no drug addicts there’d be no drug dealers. This doesn't even make sense. Are you blaming the founding fathers or God? 38 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....you cannot be serious.......do you really think compromise means meeting the needs of the people versus what is BEST SELF SERVING TO ME?.....I certainly hope that you do not think that WE takes precedent over a politician's ME....how can you diminish their primary function of personal aggrandizement and enrichment?.....good Lord, we're in trouble then..... Is this sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: Ok you're right. Congress is a mess, and always has been only because of the Democrats(who used to the Republicans). If only the Democrats got Covid, and all died, then Congress would be a finely tuned machine that met the needs of all the people all the time, because the Republicans would instantly remove all money involved in politics, which in turn would leave only the needs of the average American citizen at heart. Gotcha. To think I was really always this naïve. I feel ashamed. Yes, and sometimes I get what I want, sometimes I have to compromise. So you're saying if you own a business with someone else, you don't have to compromise? You just make a stand, and always get what you want? This doesn't even make sense. Are you blaming the founding fathers or God? Are you intentionally trying to imitate Tiberius? I'll tell you what, if you own a business with someone else you should have figured out all the basic goals & methods before going into business with them. I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or that's just part of your nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Are you intentionally trying to imitate Tiberius? I'll tell you what, if you own a business with someone else you should have figured out all the basic goals & methods before going into business with them. I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or that's just part of your nature. You're being obtuse if you don't think that while running a country or a business that situations don't arise. What was you're business Covid plan on Jan 1st? Edited May 10, 2020 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: This doesn't even make sense. Are you blaming the founding fathers or God? Is this sarcasm? Are you always this dense? I’m blaming politicians who have become more and more concerned about themselves and lining their own pockets than they are about the people they serve. This was never the intention of the Founders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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