AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 11 minutes ago, teef said: do some people want to use the files as a way of attacking trump? sure, but i think the majority of america wants the release because it's the right thing to do legally and morally. i'm not sure we'll even get to the bottom of anything, but at this stage of the game, it has to be released. The majority of democrats will think the files are fake if trump isn't guilty. This isn't about morality, its about bringing down Trump. That's all the democrats are now a days.
B-Man Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago There’s not a shred of evidence linking Trump to the pedophilic activities of the late New York financier, but Democrats will use whatever they can to make the case. Yet, with the media’s credibility in shambles and the Democrats in total chaos, Trump and his team likely and rightly think they can easily slap down any narrative that comes their way. They should feel confident—Democrats have nothing. Yet, why didn’t Joe Biden, who weaponized the Justice Department against Trump, release the files? He could have. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) was asked that, and his answer was not good: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/11/18/chuck-schumer-was-asked-why-didnt-biden-release-the-epstein-fileshis-answer-was-brutal-n2666581
Big Blitz Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Democrats are continuing to make this fake news a thing bc they know it’s fractured the pod cast bros that thought we were “getting” the files - there is a portion of Trump support that thinks this is a broken campaign promise. Which it never was. That’s all this nonsense is. That and they need to distract from this: 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 54 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The majority of democrats will think the files are fake if trump isn't guilty. This isn't about morality, its about bringing down Trump. That's all the democrats are now a days. No. But what if the files implicate trump? Will you continue to support him? MTG was heartfelt and impressive in this morning’s presser. Khana and Massie equally. I doubt I’ll ever agree with MTG on most matters but she gained respect today. No doubt she’s betting on the fall of trump while seeing higher office in her future but this stance shows impressive courage. 1
teef Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 59 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The majority of democrats will think the files are fake if trump isn't guilty. This isn't about morality, its about bringing down Trump. That's all the democrats are now a days. it's not all bringing down trump at all. do you not think there are democrat names in there? this isn't a big dems vs trump conspiracy...it's far bigger than that, and to continually call this is hoax and act like it isn't important is disgusting. on top of that, a lot of this speculation and doubt is directly a result to how trump has handled this, which is poorly. you can't say you'll release the files, to suddenly not wanting to release the files while moving maxwell and calling people that cared losers. think about that...trump referred to people who wanted the files released as losers, and told them not to talk about it anymore. now he's changing his mind again and wants them released. he just hasn't handled this well. there's also people who don't want it released strictly for political reasons, and that's ***** disgusting. 1 1
B-Man Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Thomas Massie's Latest Epstein Files Claim Is Too Cute by Half FTA: MASSIE: Some people have said, ‘Well, how will you know that he’s released the files?’ We will know when rich and powerful men are implicated. So they’ve claimed that they’ve been releasing thousands, tens of thousands of documents to Congress already. But what we’ve discovered is there’s not a single new name in those documents. We know because we have survivors through their lawyers who’ve told us that they have names. We know, they know who’s in those files, and we’ll know if he’s given us a complete release. Let me stop him right there because that's not how this works. The absence of evidence is not evidence in and of itself, and it's a logical fallacy to assert that unless the files tell him what he wants to hear, that must indicate there are more files. If there's not a "single new name," it is perfectly possible that's because there are no more names. Suspicions of a broader conspiracy, and I've had my own over the years surrounding this case, are not sufficient in this context. As to the claim that there are survivors who have "told us that they have names," that is hopelessly ambiguous. What if the names are just the names we already know? Regardless, at some point, and that point was a while ago, if they aren't willing to release the names and make their accusations public, then there's nothing else to be done here. I realize the response will be that they signed NDAs, but NDAs can not legally be used to cover up criminal activity, and in such a situation, can be broken to report the crime to the police. This entire thing has turned into a game of circular logic, where a lack of evidence is treated as evidence, and the best sources (the victims) aren't expected to actually be sources. Why would I care what Epstein's emails say if almost all the women he trafficked are alive and able to testify? If rich and powerful people committed sex crimes in conjunction with Epstein, then they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Turning this purely into a political issue, absconding from any attempt at legal justice against these suggested other perpetrators, is just a bit too convenient for me. I think Massie knows that, but he's so deep in his own sauce that he can't be objective anymore. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/11/18/thomas-massies-latest-epstein-files-claim-is-too-cute-by-half-n2196309
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 27 minutes ago, teef said: it's not all bringing down trump at all. do you not think there are democrat names in there? this isn't a big dems vs trump conspiracy...it's far bigger than that, and to continually call this is hoax and act like it isn't important is disgusting. on top of that, a lot of this speculation and doubt is directly a result to how trump has handled this, which is poorly. you can't say you'll release the files, to suddenly not wanting to release the files while moving maxwell and calling people that cared losers. think about that...trump referred to people who wanted the files released as losers, and told them not to talk about it anymore. now he's changing his mind again and wants them released. he just hasn't handled this well. there's also people who don't want it released strictly for political reasons, and that's ***** disgusting. Read what I wrote and try again. Maybe you should stop coming here, you seem completely unhinged. The dems won't care that people on thier side are guilty if trump isn't. Don't you think the democrat party should be more than orange man bad? 30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: No. But what if the files implicate trump? Will you continue to support him? MTG was heartfelt and impressive in this morning’s presser. Khana and Massie equally. I doubt I’ll ever agree with MTG on most matters but she gained respect today. No doubt she’s betting on the fall of trump while seeing higher office in her future but this stance shows impressive courage. Guaranteed you were calling her bat ***** crazy, but now she's cool cause she's against trump. Nice.
teef Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Read what I wrote and try again. Maybe you should stop coming here, you seem completely unhinged. The dems won't care that people on thier side are guilty if trump isn't. Don't you think the democrat party should be more than orange man bad? Guaranteed you were calling her bat ***** crazy, but now she's cool cause she's against trump. Nice. unhinged? honestly...i really wonder about the hard core maga people around here. there's just a total lack of common sense. you just said the dems won't care if people on their side are guilty if trump isn't. other than you emotion and bad dems, you have zero basis for making that claim. i think most people want it out. those that don't are just protecting trump or his administration. i've said multiple times i don't think trump has acted criminally as a pedo, but he's certainly hiding something. people can call it a hoax all they want, this needs to be released. i don't know how anyone can argue that.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, teef said: unhinged? honestly...i really wonder about the hard core maga people around here. there's just a total lack of common sense. you just said the dems won't care if people on their side are guilty if trump isn't. other than you emotion and bad dems, you have zero basis for making that claim. i think most people want it out. those that don't are just protecting trump or his administration. i've said multiple times i don't think trump has acted criminally as a pedo, but he's certainly hiding something. people can call it a hoax all they want, this needs to be released. i don't know how anyone can argue that. You clearly haven't interacted with a modern day democrat have u?
teef Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You clearly haven't interacted with a modern day democrat have u? dude, i'm not part of this entire dems vs maga nonsense. it's the bottom barrel of intelligence with the winning and fafo. this strikes me as more of a you problem. do you think the epstien files should be released or not? this shouldn't be hard. try to not only think with your emotions.
teef Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Roundybout said: Lotta pedophile defense here what strikes me odd is that the few posters that are insistent that our kids are in danger from trans in schools are the same ones who don't want the epstein files released. it's an amazing dance. 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, teef said: what strikes me odd is that the few posters that are insistent that our kids are in danger from trans in schools are the same ones who don't want the epstein files released. it's an amazing dance. Who said I never wanted the files released? All I said was dems won't be satisfied unless trump is guilty. Jesus. 5 minutes ago, teef said: dude, i'm not part of this entire dems vs maga nonsense. it's the bottom barrel of intelligence with the winning and fafo. this strikes me as more of a you problem. do you think the epstien files should be released or not? this shouldn't be hard. try to not only think with your emotions. I've also stated that Trump should be throw into a pit if he's guilty. Jfc. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 28 minutes ago, B-Man said: Thomas Massie's Latest Epstein Files Claim Is Too Cute by Half FTA: MASSIE: Some people have said, ‘Well, how will you know that he’s released the files?’ We will know when rich and powerful men are implicated. So they’ve claimed that they’ve been releasing thousands, tens of thousands of documents to Congress already. But what we’ve discovered is there’s not a single new name in those documents. We know because we have survivors through their lawyers who’ve told us that they have names. We know, they know who’s in those files, and we’ll know if he’s given us a complete release. Let me stop him right there because that's not how this works. The absence of evidence is not evidence in and of itself, and it's a logical fallacy to assert that unless the files tell him what he wants to hear, that must indicate there are more files. If there's not a "single new name," it is perfectly possible that's because there are no more names. Suspicions of a broader conspiracy, and I've had my own over the years surrounding this case, are not sufficient in this context. As to the claim that there are survivors who have "told us that they have names," that is hopelessly ambiguous. What if the names are just the names we already know? Regardless, at some point, and that point was a while ago, if they aren't willing to release the names and make their accusations public, then there's nothing else to be done here. I realize the response will be that they signed NDAs, but NDAs can not legally be used to cover up criminal activity, and in such a situation, can be broken to report the crime to the police. This entire thing has turned into a game of circular logic, where a lack of evidence is treated as evidence, and the best sources (the victims) aren't expected to actually be sources. Why would I care what Epstein's emails say if almost all the women he trafficked are alive and able to testify? If rich and powerful people committed sex crimes in conjunction with Epstein, then they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Turning this purely into a political issue, absconding from any attempt at legal justice against these suggested other perpetrators, is just a bit too convenient for me. I think Massie knows that, but he's so deep in his own sauce that he can't be objective anymore. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/11/18/thomas-massies-latest-epstein-files-claim-is-too-cute-by-half-n2196309 There’s no fallacy. The argument: Epstein trafficked young girls the victims, now adults have made a list including powerful and wealthy men. If none of the most or none of the names aren’t in the files, the release is incomplete. The argument that victims haven’t released the list yet because of NDAs is a red herring. They most likely haven’t released the for fear of retribution. That may change. Edited 1 hour ago by Joe Ferguson forever
teef Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Who said I never wanted the files released? All I said was dems won't be satisfied unless trump is guilty. Jesus. I've also stated that Trump should be throw into a pit if he's guilty. Jfc. i never said you didn't want the files released...at all. then we agree the list should be released. i don't care who's on it, but someone needs to be held accountable. this isn't hard. you may want to back up on calling someone unhinged when you act like this. 1
B-Man Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Same old misrepresentation.
Roundybout Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, teef said: what strikes me odd is that the few posters that are insistent that our kids are in danger from trans in schools are the same ones who don't want the epstein files released. it's an amazing dance. They’re the same posters that believe Haitian immigrants are stealing pets for dinner. 1
teef Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Roundybout said: They’re the same posters that believe Haitian immigrants are stealing pets for dinner. unfortunately there's a group of people who will believe absolutely anything they're told. 1 1
Royale with Cheese Posted 7 minutes ago Posted 7 minutes ago 58 minutes ago, teef said: unfortunately there's a group of people who will believe absolutely anything they're told. Growing up, Vietnamese immigrants were eating all the turtles in the neighborhood lake. They got in trouble by the HOA. Then they stopped killing the turtles and then started eating the fish....it was a catch and release lake and they fished all the fish out of there. They were renters and were evicted. Of course as kids, we all hated them because we didn't have lake to fish in anymore because the HOA never restocked it. 1
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