Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Presidents can't be indicted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Yikes. Mueller says Trump can be indicted for Obstruction of Justice after he leaves the White House. He won't be. "At any time was your investigation curtailed or stopped?" Mueller: "No." (No obstruction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: He won't be. Debatable. I feel it's pretty likely there are a ton of people in the Democrat Party would love to see him on trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Insufficient evidence? I love Wikileaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Collins: "Is it true the evidence gathered during your investigation did not establish that the president was involved in the underline crime of Russian interference." Mueller: "Yes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Debatable. I feel it's pretty likely there are a ton of people in the Democrat Party would love to see him on trial. Hence why we have this testimony today and the topic will continue throughout his presidency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Suddenly senility is setting in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Collins has him on collusion/conspiracy... Collins is thundering after Mueller now on collusion/conspiracy. Mueller says the report is right -- which means collusion/conspiracy are synonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Insufficient evidence? I love Wikileaks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Whatnot78 said: Hence why we have this testimony today and the topic will continue throughout his presidency Exactly. If Trump loses in 2020 I think it's easy to see him on trial pretty quickly following the transition of power. Major power players will push for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 That sure sounds like a conspiracy! They were working together, how is that not conspiracy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Collins has him on collusion/conspiracy... Collins is thundering after Mueller now on collusion/conspiracy. Mueller says the report is right -- which means collusion/conspiracy are synonymous. That was after he said that collusion is not a colloquialism for conspiracy. Wonder how many outlets will claim that he perjured himself? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Exactly. If Trump loses in 2020 I think it's easy to see him on trial pretty quickly following the transition of power. Major power players will push for that. And you think this would be a good thing? Or a bad thing. If that's the case, Obama better be on his toes considering there's actual evidence he broke nearly every oath he took when he led an illegal spying operation out of his DOJ. One designed to spy on his political opponents. The peaceful transition of power used to mean something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 126 contacts between Russians and Trump campaign. Hmmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: And you think this would be a good thing? Or a bad thing. If that's the case, Obama better be on his toes considering there's actual evidence he broke nearly every oath he took when he led an illegal spying operation out of his DOJ. One designed to spy on his political opponents. The peaceful transition of power used to mean something... I think it would be a bad thing. No one should use the Justice Department as a weapon. If the Dems are going to do anything, it needs to be via an impeachment process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 "126 contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign" ... she's hitting this after we've established that none of those contacts crossed the line to conspiracy/collusion. This is all a show, folks. They're playing games because they got caught lying about a Russian conspiracy. Just now, jrober38 said: I think it would be a bad thing. No one should use the Justice Department as a weapon. If the Dems are going to do anything, it needs to be via an impeachment process. And yet, that's exactly what 44 did. And how we got to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Sharing polling data, accepting Russian help and spreading Russian propaganda, ya, nothing to see here Stolen election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: "126 contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign" ... she's hitting this after we've established that none of those contacts crossed the line to conspiracy/collusion. This is all a show, folks. They're playing games because they got caught lying about a Russian conspiracy. And yet, that's exactly what 44 did. And how we got to this point. There's zero evidence whatsoever that Obama had anything to do with that. With that said, the players who were involved were way out of line and should probably on trial for committing crimes. I agree with you there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 "Which DOJ policy or principle sets forth a legal standard that an investigated person is NOT exonerated if their innocence from criminal conduct is not conclusively determined. Where does that policy come from?" Ratcliffe (It doesn't exist -- his job was not to exonerate Trump) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: "126 contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign" ... she's hitting this after we've established that none of those contacts crossed the line to conspiracy/collusion. This is all a show, folks. They're playing games because they got caught lying about a Russian conspiracy. And yet, that's exactly what 44 did. And how we got to this point. I wonder if that will even come to light. IMO, no big to-do will come of it because it will severely hinder any faith in our intelligence community, both nationally and internationally. A couple of lowe-level people will fall on the sword and that's all we will hear of it. Then there will be internal changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: There's zero evidence whatsoever that Obama had anything to do with that. With that said, the players who were involved were way out of line and should probably on trial for committing crimes. I agree with you there. That's not true. I have loads of evidence he was involved with it. Start here. Page 82-85 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf you've been lied to for three years about what this whole thing is really about. It's about that memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Oh brother, this clown is a bull sh itter on a mass scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not true. I have loads of evidence he was involved with it. Start here. Page 82-85 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf you've been lied to for three years about what this whole thing is really about. It's about that memo. I'm very familiar with what I assume is in there, but save me the time of reading the whole thing. What pages mention Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Why why is she yelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 "Respectfully, you did not follow the special counsel instructions." Ratcliffe "You wrote 180 pages about potential crimes that weren't charged or decided. And you managed to violate every principle and sacred tradition of prosecutors." Just now, jrober38 said: I'm very familiar with what I assume is in there, but save me the time of reading the whole thing. What pages mention Obama? What do you think is in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I'm very familiar with what I assume is in there, but save me the time of reading the whole thing. What pages mention Obama? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Jackson Lee up now... one of the worst and dirtiest members on this committee. She thinks talking loudly = gravitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "Respectfully, you did not follow the special counsel instructions." Ratcliffe "You wrote 180 pages about potential crimes that weren't charged or decided. And you managed to violate every principle and sacred tradition of prosecutors." What do you think is in there? That various FBI personnel lied to get FISA warrants to surveil Trump. Edited July 24, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: That various FBI agents lied to get FISA warrants to surveil Trump. No. That's a FISC opinion memo from 2016. Before Trump/Russia was even a thing. It's the starting point of everything. That you don't know what it is, or have never heard of it isn't surprising. But without understanding what's in that document you don't understand what this is really all about or how Trump/Russia started. (It isn't surprising because the media has hid it from you for years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Circle logic from Sensenbrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Not circle logic, sound. He's pointing out that none of the witnesses were crossed, making their statements not evidence but one sided/untested. He also brings up the omission of various 302s which were relevant. Now Mr. Purple Heart Cohen is up. No fried chicken in sight for this assclown... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Mueller says he's NOT FAMILIAR WITH FUSION GPS... WHAT?! (Chabot brings up Glenn Simpson, Natalia V, and Fusion GPS -- and Mueller says it's all outside his purview -- which says it all, folks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Mueller says he's NOT FAMILIAR WITH FUSION GPS... WHAT?! Why would he be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why would he be? Because Fusion GPS is a key part of the entire story. It's a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why would he be? Why was Manafort's work in Ukraine in 2011 in scope, but the origin of Russian conspiracy not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, GG said: Why was Manafort's work in Ukraine in 2011 in scope, but the origin of Russian conspiracy not? 1000000% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Because Fusion GPS is a key part of the entire story. It's a lie. Fusion GPS was part of Trump's attempts to obstruct justice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Fusion GPS was part of Trump's attempts to obstruct justice? Fusion GPS was the source of nearly everything in Volume 1 of the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Fusion GPS was part of Trump's attempts to obstruct justice? Say what? Mueller's primary mandate was not obstruction but conspiracy. Thanks for proving that this is a witch hunt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Fusion GPS was the source of nearly everything in Volume 1 of the report. They've already established that Trump didn't collude with Russia. The issue at this point is volume 2, where Trump appears to have tried to obstruct justice multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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