JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The below link was Ralph Krueger on WGR. It is a 13 minute segment. Not much was revealed. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/krueger-we-feel-theres-upside-group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Paul Hamilton was on WGR's Instigator Show. I thought he gave some good insights about this team's construction and a fair representation of this team. This is a 12 minute segment. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-20-paul-hamilton-instigators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, shrader said: Each of these guys would be replaced by someone making similar money. Your list combined is going to be right around the average NHL salary. Those are not the kind of deals that cause cap issues. The highest on your list is Scandella at $4 million and quite honestly I don't see him as a part of the issue right now. Oh, and I missed Bogosian earlier on the list of bigger contracts at $5.1 million. That's one that is part of the problem and again, is a Murray contract. This is where we will disagree. Problem is he has kept same people for all 3 years, has gone backwards..and those are the guys who are holding this team back. Not the Jacks and Skinners of the world, its the "middle class" the Sabres have whiffed on... 1 hour ago, JohnC said: Quote Quote The GM has little cap flexibility to make major changes to the roster. He put himself in this position Agreed? Quote Last year when you and others were blaming Housley for everything including globing warming thats kinda funny!!!! Quote primary issue with this lackluster team was a lack of talent and who is responsible for that? Quote was to clear cap space in the near future and then bolster the roster how do you know this? Why not clear the decks this year then? Bills traded guys they did not want here, no matter the impact to record and cap situation , Botteril has kept seemingly every player since he has been here sans ROR and Beuilieu..both doing swimmingly since he has traded them. Quote Even those who are in a state of hysteria have to acknowledge that the Sabres will be in much better cap situation to make meaningful deals next year. Maybe I be missing something, but we will have no ammo for trades correct? So we talking FA? I have not done enough work, maybe some players that will need to offloaded from other teams cause they have bad contracts and cant fit anymore, but those are usually just that, guys on bad contracts. Quote For all those in the clamoring chorus screaming for a GM change let me ask you how do you not know that the owner agreed to this rebuilding strategy with the GM he selected? Just as the owner agreed with the rebuilding strategy when he selected McDermott for the Bills. So you really think Bots sold the Pegulas he needed to waste 3 years of prime Eichel years to field a competitive team..not championship mind you, just competitive. Be like a new coach coming into the Bills last year and saying i know you spent all this draft capital to draft Allen,and threw 2 years away to make sure you got him(sabres tank), and you have him on a market inefficient deal, but i need 3 years to put enough people around him to make the playoffs. I know that adds up to 6 wasted years, and no other team needs to do that, but in Buffalo thats whats needed!! No freaking way. Ain't buyin it I agree 100% that maybe this was all not on Housley( dont get me started on Ralph making some of the same mistakes), but then that means the GM stinks too. Edited November 20, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: So you really think Bots sold the Pegulas he needed to waste 3 years of prime Eichel years to field a competitive team..not championship mind you, just competitive. Be like a new coach coming into the Bills last year and saying i know you spent all this draft capital to draft Allen,and threw 2 years away to make sure you got him(sabres tank), and you have him on a market inefficient deal, but i need 3 years to put enough people around him to make the playoffs. I know that adds up to 6 wasted years, and no other team needs to do that, but in Buffalo thats whats needed!! No freaking way. Ain't buyin it I agree 100% that maybe this was all not on Housley( dont get me started on Ralph making some of the same mistakes), but then that means the GM stinks too. I respectfully but strenuously disagree with the gist of what you stated. I believe with a lot of confidence that the owner knew exactly the course that Botts was going to take when he was hired. Just as Pegs knew exactly what the plan was going to be when he hired McDermott to be his HC. McDermott has publicly stated that in his interview for the job he talked mostly about his approach to building a franchise and how he was going to go about doing that. It was as much a conceptual presentation as it was a detailed presentation. You don't think that when the owner was interviewing the candidates for the hockey GM position he asked what the candidates' strategy was to make this competitive team? I'm confident that the GM is going to make some deals this season using his surplus in defensemen as chips. Will these deals be consequential? Probably not unless a major Risto deal is made that includes additional assets. Next year this team is going to have plenty of cap space to make more substantive deals that will upgrade the roster. Rebuilding the team was never going to be a quick or easy process. I have repeatedly stated this point of view and you have repeatedly dismissed it. If you can't handle this harsh reality then I suggest a Sabre hiatus in order to free yourself from your self-induced state of agitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 hours ago, bdutton said: I will add to the pile... Botterill needs to go. Lots of botterill hate going on. I dont keep up with hockey but how come we constantly dont have talent after all these years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) So Babcock, who spurned the Sabres for the Leafs just got canned Edited November 20, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: This is where we will disagree. Problem is he has kept same people for all 3 years, has gone backwards..and those are the guys who are holding this team back. Not the Jacks and Skinners of the world, its the "middle class" the Sabres have whiffed on... So now you've moved the goal posts on me. First it was those guys causing cap issues, now it's that they are under-performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Reading all these comments about the GMs tells me that the tank was the worst thing for us because we still haven't recovered. Everyone b!tched about Darcy but at least he had two different championship contender teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So Babcock, who spurned the Sabres for the Leafs just got canned Holy crap! Never saw that coming. Players must have revolted. And if that’s the case, the Leafs may have bigger issues than head coach. But, like the old saying goes, you can’t fire the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: Paul Hamilton was on WGR's Instigator Show. I thought he gave some good insights about this team's construction and a fair representation of this team. This is a 12 minute segment. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-20-paul-hamilton-instigators So we have the same bums as last year, explains the collapse. What i don't understand as how we have a collection of gutless slugs who have no heart and aren't embarrassed about their effort and wont come out and scratch and claw on every possession!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So Babcock, who spurned the Sabres for the Leafs just got canned Curious as to how the Sabres would have turned out if he became the Sabres coach instead of going to Toronto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Curious as to how the Sabres would have turned out if he became the Sabres coach instead of going to Toronto? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Reed83HOF said: doesn't help us now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Wow! Lets see if all the hype hype around Keefe was real. I hope this won’t give them a spark, since the Sabres play them in a back to back coming up pretty soon (in 4 games iirc). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: So we have the same bums as last year, explains the collapse. What i don't understand as how we have a collection of gutless slugs who have no heart and aren't embarrassed about their effort and wont come out and scratch and claw on every possession!! Paul Hamilton has often made the point that one of the main deficiencies of this team beyond the lack of talent (obviously) is the manner it is constructed. There are too many perimeter players who refuse or are incapable of going to the net on offense. Two many players couldn't or wouldn't do what was necessary to be infront of the net when shots were taken. The player mix needs to change with more physical players added and less finesse players subtracted. The issue isn't so much size as it is style of play. Sam Reinhart isn't so much a big guy as he is a tough player who is willing to do what is necessary to position himself around the net and be in a good position to put the rebound in. We need more players who are willing to do what is necessary to score/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnC said: Paul Hamilton has often made the point that one of the main deficiencies of this team beyond the lack of talent (obviously) is the manner it is constructed. There are too many perimeter players who refuse or are incapable of going to the net on offense. Two many players couldn't or wouldn't do what was necessary to be infront of the net when shots were taken. The player mix needs to change with more physical players added and less finesse players subtracted. The issue isn't so much size as it is style of play. Sam Reinhart isn't so much a big guy as he is a tough player who is willing to do what is necessary to position himself around the net and be in a good position to put the rebound in. We need more players who are willing to do what is necessary to score/win. Anyone not willing to go to the net shdnt be in the league. Just head scratching to me, getting to the net is how you win. Reminds me of basketball were no one is in the paint, kids are getting soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Curious as to how the Sabres would have turned out if he became the Sabres coach instead of going to Toronto? If he had to work with the same level of talent that the Sabres had during the past few years he would have not been very successful. Talent prevails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: Paul Hamilton has often made the point that one of the main deficiencies of this team beyond the lack of talent (obviously) is the manner it is constructed. There are too many perimeter players who refuse or are incapable of going to the net on offense. Two many players couldn't or wouldn't do what was necessary to be infront of the net when shots were taken. The player mix needs to change with more physical players added and less finesse players subtracted. The issue isn't so much size as it is style of play. Sam Reinhart isn't so much a big guy as he is a tough player who is willing to do what is necessary to position himself around the net and be in a good position to put the rebound in. We need more players who are willing to do what is necessary to score/win. How many of those perimeter players are GMTM holdovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Anyone not willing to go to the net shdnt be in the league. Just head scratching to me, getting to the net is how you win. Reminds me of basketball were no one is in the paint, kids are getting soft. You don't need every player to be able to play in the dirty areas around the net but you do need enough of them on your roster to be effective on offense. There are more dirty goals than pretty goals. Especially from an offensive standpoint this is a poorly constructed roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: You don't need every player to be able to play in the dirty areas around the net but you do need enough of them on your roster to be effective on offense. There are more dirty goals than pretty goals. Especially from an offensive standpoint this is a poorly constructed roster. all the dirty !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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