Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Taylor's career QB Rating is 89. The Bills total QB Rating this year is 57. Hard to imagine any scenario where Taylor stinks it up as badly as our QBs have. If he'd produced his typical 14 TDs, 6 Interceptions type season, with a QB Rating around 90, we'd be in the thick of the playoff race. People don't seem to understand how truly horrible our QB play has been this season. With mediocre starter level QB play this would be a really good team. Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Funny thing is he doesn't have to be better. If he's just what he's always been we'd be in the hunt. Even if JA beat TT out he'd be the best backup because he's a team player. He'd be the best backup JA could have at this point. Beane mismanaged the QB position at starter and backup. But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss. Why would we weigh 1/8th of a season equally to other seasons lol Take his career numbers and just think he lost at least one starting caliber receiver with no replacement every year. Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from. For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games. He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year. Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny. He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt. This is fake news He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? Mayfield looked like crap vs Tampa’s terrible defense Edited November 16, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss. So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful? Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job. His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks. He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks. Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from. For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games. He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year. Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers. He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: This is fake news He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it. The difference between 57 and 64 rating is very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low. That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for. Just now, Royale with Cheese said: This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it. The difference between 57 and 64 rating is very small. Might be big enough to beat the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. Edited November 16, 2018 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful? Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job. His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here? No he would have won on this defense. Different teams dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation. Facts are he had 19 yards passing. Facts are he couldn’t win a game with 6 turnovers. You know this, stop playing games. Adios muchacho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️ Allen has looked exactly like the scouting reports said he'd look. Inconsistent accuracy, poor pocket presence, and limited ability to read a defense. He's got a big arm and can run around, but it doesn't amount to much yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender. The Jets are one of the worst teams in football, we just had a guy without a lot of weapons on offense who hasn't played since 2016 put up a great game. Taylor had 14 yards at halftime against the Jets. Take his career average when the pattern is declining every year? If we're using that logic, Sam Bradford posting a 62.5 passer rating this year but since he's got a career average of 84.5....he's still good. 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for. Might be big enough to beat the Texans. Are we ignoring we lost Richie Incognito and Eric Wood? 40% of our starting offensive line? Both positions have had their starters replaced because the ones who filled in for them were terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️ cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis Baker ain't no project rookie, I questioned why he didn't start in the first place, I'm sure he won camp. Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. Yes the Bills QB's have been historically awful. I don't think Taylor changes that much at all because we would still have the same problems. The excuse for Taylor why we didn't have a passing offense in Buffalo is because of the lack of weapons....still don't have weapons. Cleveland had better weapons and he lasted until week 3 until he was benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis Peterman had to start after Tyrods ineptitude as well. I’ll give the rookie 2 years before I start to crucify him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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