Ramza86 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Im trying to understand what people expect from Josh Allen. Im looking at past years QBs. Do you see any of this years QB draft class better than previous years? These guys are the hits...and I use that term loosely. So we draft one QB in the 1st round and we expect him to be a top 5 QB? Lets be realistic. Youre not gonna get Brady or Rodgers. Itd be a freakin miracle if any of these guys even got to the level of an Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers. It really is a crap shoot guys. Lets just hope a QB can start for us and be good enough to contend in the playoffs. Notable 2016 QBs: - Carson Wentz - Jared Goff - Dak Prescott I dont think much of Dak and I think Jared had a decent year last year. Nothing grand. Wentz and Goff were twice the prospects of this years class. So logically you wont see a QB better than Goff from this class. Notable 2015 QBs: - Jameis Winston - Marcus Mariotta Same thing here. If you drafted a QB in 2018. Youre praying they could at least get somewhere near their level. Notable 2014 QBs: - Blake Bortles - Derek Carr - Jimmy G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I see none that are HOF. One solid starter, 2 decent starters and 3 that don't make it. I lumped the top 6 together as I didn't see that much difference. Now, which are which? Damned if I know. I hope Allen is the solid guy, but maybe not. I'm not even sure the best QB drafted this week winds up one of these 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Watch, because we've been screwing this up for so many years, I've got a feeling that Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph are gonna be the 2 best QBs of this draft class. That's just the luck that we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, Circlethewagon8404 said: Watch, because we've been screwing this up for so many years, I've got a feeling that Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph are gonna be the 2 best QBs of this draft class. That's just the luck that we have. So let me ask you this? Them being the best two QBs this draft....puts them where in the league? 20-32? This is kinda the point im making. Most likely these guys will be middle of the pack. Maybe one stands out if they are lucky. Not only do you have to be a good QB, but you have to be in the perfect situation. The odds are stacked against anyone getting a great franchise QB. Lots of luck involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 i expect josh allen to work hard. i expect there to be a learning curve. i expect the coaching staff to not rush this guy, to put him in when he is ready. i expect a lot of ups and downs when he finally gets in there. but my hope is that he turns into a great qb. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Regular attendance, dedicated S&C work and close observation of how pros prepare. After that, anything else would be gravy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Im trying to understand what people expect from Josh Allen. Im looking at past years QBs. Do you see any of this years QB draft class better than previous years? These guys are the hits...and I use that term loosely. So we draft one QB in the 1st round and we expect him to be a top 5 QB? Lets be realistic. Youre not gonna get Brady or Rodgers. Itd be a freakin miracle if any of these guys even got to the level of an Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers. It really is a crap shoot guys. Lets just hope a QB can start for us and be good enough to contend in the playoffs. Notable 2016 QBs: - Carson Wentz - Jared Goff - Dak Prescott I dont think much of Dak and I think Jared had a decent year last year. Nothing grand. Wentz and Goff were twice the prospects of this years class. So logically you wont see a QB better than Goff from this class. Notable 2015 QBs: - Jameis Winston - Marcus Mariotta Same thing here. If you drafted a QB in 2018. Youre praying they could at least get somewhere near their level. Notable 2014 QBs: - Blake Bortles - Derek Carr - Jimmy G Well NFL puts up draft grades for each prospect prior to the draft: Jared Goff 6.51 Carson Wentz 6.53 Sam Darnold 7.00 Josh Rosen 6.19 Baker Mayfield 6.04 Lamar Jackson 5.91 Josh Allen 5.90 Bortles was a 6.22 Jared had a "decent year last year, nothing grand" ? The offense he directed led the league in scoring, yes #1 in scoring. He had 3800+ yards, 28 td, 7 int, and 1 rushing TD. 62.1% comp 11-4 record #10 in yards (while being #18 in attempts) #7 in TD #4 in TD% #2 in Y/A and AY/A #2 in NY/A and #1 in ANY/A He had a pretty damn good year. Any team in the league would be happy with that. Wentz was going to win MVP prior to tearing his ACL and missing the last 3 games. Just average seasons though, right? Come on dude. I'm not saying any of this year's crop is going to be all time greats, but they are all very good prospects. I wouldn't be surprised to see all 4 make pro bowls in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Mayfield will be a Top 10 QB. Allen will end up a backup, somewhere. The others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Well NFL puts up draft grades for each prospect prior to the draft: Jared Goff 6.51 Carson Wentz 6.53 Sam Darnold 7.00 Josh Rosen 6.19 Baker Mayfield 6.04 Lamar Jackson 5.91 Josh Allen 5.90 Bortles was a 6.22 Jared had a "decent year last year, nothing grand" ? The offense he directed led the league in scoring, yes #1 in scoring. He had 3800+ yards, 28 td, 7 int, and 1 rushing TD. 62.1% comp 11-4 record #10 in yards (while being #18 in attempts) #7 in TD #4 in TD% #2 in Y/A and AY/A #2 in NY/A and #1 in ANY/A He had a pretty damn good year. Any team in the league would be happy with that. Wentz was going to win MVP prior to tearing his ACL and missing the last 3 games. Just average seasons though, right? Come on dude. I'm not saying any of this year's crop is going to be all time greats, but they are all very good prospects. I wouldn't be surprised to see all 4 make pro bowls in the near future. I never said Wentz wasnt good. Hes the one guy I think is going to be a top QB. Did you actually watch Goff play? As a betting man im going to say you didnt. I had him and Gurley in one of my fantasy leagues. So I watched a good chunk of his games. You can toss whatever stats you want out....but I can tell you Goff was middle of the pack at best this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: i expect josh allen to work hard. i expect there to be a learning curve. i expect the coaching staff to not rush this guy, to put him in when he is ready. i expect a lot of ups and downs when he finally gets in there. but my hope is that he turns into a great qb. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I think Rosen has Hall of Fame potential. I watched the UCLA vs USC game at the end of last season, and Rosen looked good enough to start in the NFL. He reads defenses quickly, he's accurate, and he has a ton of confidence. He reminds me of Joe Namath. I'm not sure why we picked Allen. His faults are he throws late and he has accuracy issues. That sounds like he has trouble reading defenses, and he has accuracy issues. Wasn't that the problem with Tyrod Taylor, and EJ Manuel, and JP Losman ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, B Fan in LA said: I think Rosen has Hall of Fame potential. I watched the UCLA vs USC game at the end of last season, and Rosen looked good enough to start in the NFL. He reads defenses quickly, he's accurate, and he has a ton of confidence. He reminds me of Joe Namath. Do you mean the Joe Namath that won less than half of his games as a starting QB, the one that threw nearly 50 more int's than TD's in his career or the one that had a great 2 game run to the Super Bowl that got him into the HOF(by the way, only 3 playoff games in his career)? Edited April 30, 2018 by Epstein's Mother 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: Watch, because we've been screwing this up for so many years, I've got a feeling that Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph are gonna be the 2 best QBs of this draft class. That's just the luck that we have. Which time are you talking about, ej the projected 3rd rounder reached for, or jp ... screwing up 2 times in 20 ish yrs WOW had enough of the dumpster diving technique trying to get a qb. Oh, i almost forgot. I expect a super bowl, what else? Edited April 29, 2018 by Albwan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I'm excited about the Allen pick. He may very well bust, but the kid is really smart, works hard, he's tall, he can run, and he has an absolute howitzer. I think a lot of the criticism is uninformed dribble, especially regarding his accuracy, which everyone seems to think is determined entirely by his completion percentage. When I watch him play, I see a gamer with incredible athletic skills who can put the ball anywhere it needs to go. This kid's ceiling is scary, and I do think he has it in him to reach it. The biggest risk I see is The Bills O-line. It's a big question mark right now, and if they stink, it's going to be tough on the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I never said Wentz wasnt good. Hes the one guy I think is going to be a top QB. Did you actually watch Goff play? As a betting man im going to say you didnt. I had him and Gurley in one of my fantasy leagues. So I watched a good chunk of his games. You can toss whatever stats you want out....but I can tell you Goff was middle of the pack at best this year. If you think Jared Goff's season last year was "middle of the pack at best" then you clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Albwan said: Which time are you talking about, ej the projected 3rd rounder reached for, or jp ... screwing up 2 times in 20 ish yrs WOW had enough of the dumpster diving technique trying to get a qb. Oh, i almost forgot. I expect a super bowl, what else? Because you're not thinking outside the box, let me paint the picture for you. When I said that we've screwed this up so many times, i'm not talking about the QBs we did take. I'm talking about the ones we had chances to take but went a different direction. Over the years, we could've taken guys like Dak, Mahomes, Deshaun, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Jimmy G, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins. And let's not forget that we had an opportunity to draft Aaron freaking Rodgers. But we dealt away our 1st rounder that year. So yes, we made mistakes. Now these mistakes are unpredictable, but could've been avoided. As much as I love Tre White, I think we could've been a lot better if we would've drafted Watson last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, skibum said: The biggest risk I see is The Bills O-line. It's a big question mark right now, and if they stink, it's going to be tough on the kid. That's the one good reason for taking Allen over Rosen. If the O-Line stinks, and it probably will, Rosen would get disgusted and be a problem. Allen might be smart in some capacity, but he's clearly not smart like Rosen, and that's an advantage for us. We need a kid with a heart and soul, who can take a punch, and learn from his mistakes. I'm also looking forward to the competition for the starting job between these 3 QB's on our roster. Certainly a lot better than the competition that Tyrod won 4 years ago, against Jeff Tuel, Thad Lewis, and EJ Manuel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: If you think Jared Goff's season last year was "middle of the pack at best" then you clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. I do. And it was. I suggest you go back and watch the games and compare it with the rest of the QBs this year. Youll see middle of the pack. I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I do. And it was. I suggest you go back and watch the games and compare it with the rest of the QBs this year. Youll see middle of the pack. I promise. I've seen enough of it. He wasn't "middle of the pack". Stop exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Opie. Your assumptions on player ability/ potential are just flat out wrong. /Thread Edited April 30, 2018 by Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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