finn Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Troy Aikman pointed out that very few quarterbacks who were inaccurate in college have made it in the NFL. That got me thinking: are there ANY quarterbacks with Allen's low percentage (in a weak conference, too) who have made it? I'm genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. He also completed 61% of his throws his final year at Georgia. Edited April 27, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. Matt Ryan says otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alluro Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 The classic example is hall of famer Brett Favre who had a completion percentage of 52.4% coming out of Southern Mississippi. He and Stafford should be viewed as anomalies, however. The vast majority of inaccurate passers DO NOT overcome this weakness. I've never been more disappointed in a Bills draft in my life. SMH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Matt Ryan says otherwise. No he doesn't. LOL Ryan's career at BC was 59.9%. Stafford is the only guy in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: No he doesn't. LOL Ryan's career at BC was 59.9%. Stafford is the only guy in 20 years. Oops. I was going with the general consensus that 60% if the magic#. You changed it to 58% to fit your narrative. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, alluro said: The classic example is hall of famer Brett Favre who had a completion percentage of 52.4% coming out of Southern Mississippi. He and Stafford should be viewed as anomalies, however. The vast majority of inaccurate passers DO NOT overcome this weakness. I've never been more disappointed in a Bills draft in my life. SMH Agreed. Such a horrible pick. I'm having flash backs to 2013. All the reasons we picked Josh Allen are the same as why we picked EJ Manuel. All we're hearing about is the size, mobility, presence and arm strength. Just now, SouthNYfan said: Oops. I was going with the general consensus that 60% if the magic#. You changed it to 58% to fit your narrative. The point remains. In 20 years, 1 QB with a career completion percentage below 58% has made it as a franchise QB in the NFL. The odds of Allen working out are slim to none (which is what every advanced analytic says about him). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Everyone needs to chill out. Jim Kelly's college stats! Year Team Games Passing G Rec Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Rate 1979 Miami 11 5–6–0 104 48 46.2 721 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami 12 9–3–0 206 109 52.9 1,519 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami 11 9–2–0 285 168 58.9 2,403 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami 7–4–0 81 51 63.0 585 3 1 133.4 Career 45 30–15 676 376 55.6 5,228 33 28 128.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, jrober38 said: No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. He also completed 61% of his throws his final year at Georgia. And what has he won in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Rosen-not-Chosen said: And what has he won in the NFL? Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) AJ McCarron completed just about 67% of his passes in college. Who needs context when you have raw numbers?! Same with Mariota... and one thing I've noticed when I watch him is that he really isn't all that accurate. Edited April 27, 2018 by dneveu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft. You're a truly amazing talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. Such a horrible pick. I'm having flash backs to 2013. All the reasons we picked Josh Allen are the same as why we picked EJ Manuel. All we're hearing about is the size, mobility, presence and arm strength. The point remains. In 20 years, 1 QB with a career completion percentage below 58% has made it as a franchise QB in the NFL. The odds of Allen working out are slim to none (which is what every advanced analytic says about him). Allen seemed to have a mechanical issue with his footwork leading to inconsistant throws. Why is it that we assume Darnold can fix his mechanics but Allen cannot? Again you picked 58% as an arbitrary number. A few QBs have been around the 60% mark. Russell Wilson was sub 60% until his absurd senior year comp% Allen is a Jr coming out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Allen seemed to have a mechanical issue with his footwork leading to inconsistant throws. Why is it that we assume Darnold can fix his mechanics but Allen cannot? Again you picked 58% as an arbitrary number. A few QBs have been around the 60% mark. Russell Wilson was sub 60% until his absurd senior year comp% Allen is a Jr coming out Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition. ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? That must be one of those rhetorical questions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? He's not going to be good... History shows this. Edited April 27, 2018 by Rosen-not-Chosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition. You don't know a damn thing about accuracy because you're a sheep. Tyrod threw for 62.7% last year - is he accurate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? I want him to be good, but I'm convinced we just flushed 3-4 years down the toilet with this pick. There is no precedent for guys like Allen being successful in the NFL. I've watched JP Losman, Josh Freeman, Kyle Boller, Josh Freeman, Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker, and Allen is just like all of those guys. Being big and strong and able to throw the ball 80 yards isn't enough in the NFL. Poor accuracy and decision making isn't something that gets corrected once you're playing against the best defenders in the world and the throwing lanes get significantly smaller than the ones he faced in the Mountain West Conference. Someone was going to get suckered into thinking they could "fix" Allen. I'm really disappointed it was the Bills. Edited April 27, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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