finn Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Troy Aikman pointed out that very few quarterbacks who were inaccurate in college have made it in the NFL. That got me thinking: are there ANY quarterbacks with Allen's low percentage (in a weak conference, too) who have made it? I'm genuinely curious.
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. He also completed 61% of his throws his final year at Georgia. Edited April 27, 2018 by jrober38
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:41 PM, jrober38 said: No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. Expand Matt Ryan says otherwise. 1
alluro Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 The classic example is hall of famer Brett Favre who had a completion percentage of 52.4% coming out of Southern Mississippi. He and Stafford should be viewed as anomalies, however. The vast majority of inaccurate passers DO NOT overcome this weakness. I've never been more disappointed in a Bills draft in my life. SMH 2
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:42 PM, SouthNYfan said: Matt Ryan says otherwise. Expand No he doesn't. LOL Ryan's career at BC was 59.9%. Stafford is the only guy in 20 years.
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:45 PM, jrober38 said: No he doesn't. LOL Ryan's career at BC was 59.9%. Stafford is the only guy in 20 years. Expand Oops. I was going with the general consensus that 60% if the magic#. You changed it to 58% to fit your narrative. 1 1
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:45 PM, alluro said: The classic example is hall of famer Brett Favre who had a completion percentage of 52.4% coming out of Southern Mississippi. He and Stafford should be viewed as anomalies, however. The vast majority of inaccurate passers DO NOT overcome this weakness. I've never been more disappointed in a Bills draft in my life. SMH Expand Agreed. Such a horrible pick. I'm having flash backs to 2013. All the reasons we picked Josh Allen are the same as why we picked EJ Manuel. All we're hearing about is the size, mobility, presence and arm strength. On 4/27/2018 at 12:47 PM, SouthNYfan said: Oops. I was going with the general consensus that 60% if the magic#. You changed it to 58% to fit your narrative. Expand The point remains. In 20 years, 1 QB with a career completion percentage below 58% has made it as a franchise QB in the NFL. The odds of Allen working out are slim to none (which is what every advanced analytic says about him). 1
Irv Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Everyone needs to chill out. Jim Kelly's college stats! Year Team Games Passing G Rec Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Rate 1979 Miami 11 5–6–0 104 48 46.2 721 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami 12 9–3–0 206 109 52.9 1,519 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami 11 9–2–0 285 168 58.9 2,403 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami 7–4–0 81 51 63.0 585 3 1 133.4 Career 45 30–15 676 376 55.6 5,228 33 28 128.4
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:41 PM, jrober38 said: No. Matt Stafford is the only guy with a sub 58% career completion percentage who has gone on to be a franchise QB in the NFL over the past 20 years. He also completed 61% of his throws his final year at Georgia. Expand And what has he won in the NFL?
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:54 PM, Rosen-not-Chosen said: And what has he won in the NFL? Expand Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) AJ McCarron completed just about 67% of his passes in college. Who needs context when you have raw numbers?! Same with Mariota... and one thing I've noticed when I watch him is that he really isn't all that accurate. Edited April 27, 2018 by dneveu 1
White Linen Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:55 PM, jrober38 said: Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft. Expand You're a truly amazing talent.
SouthNYfan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:47 PM, jrober38 said: Agreed. Such a horrible pick. I'm having flash backs to 2013. All the reasons we picked Josh Allen are the same as why we picked EJ Manuel. All we're hearing about is the size, mobility, presence and arm strength. The point remains. In 20 years, 1 QB with a career completion percentage below 58% has made it as a franchise QB in the NFL. The odds of Allen working out are slim to none (which is what every advanced analytic says about him). Expand Allen seemed to have a mechanical issue with his footwork leading to inconsistant throws. Why is it that we assume Darnold can fix his mechanics but Allen cannot? Again you picked 58% as an arbitrary number. A few QBs have been around the 60% mark. Russell Wilson was sub 60% until his absurd senior year comp% Allen is a Jr coming out 1
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:55 PM, jrober38 said: Nothing. The one thing all elite NFL QBs have in common is elite accuracy, and we just picked the least accurate QB in the draft. Expand Not true.
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:58 PM, SouthNYfan said: Allen seemed to have a mechanical issue with his footwork leading to inconsistant throws. Why is it that we assume Darnold can fix his mechanics but Allen cannot? Again you picked 58% as an arbitrary number. A few QBs have been around the 60% mark. Russell Wilson was sub 60% until his absurd senior year comp% Allen is a Jr coming out Expand Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:00 PM, jrober38 said: Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition. Expand ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? 3
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:01 PM, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? Expand That must be one of those rhetorical questions 1
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) On 4/27/2018 at 1:01 PM, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? Expand He's not going to be good... History shows this. Edited April 27, 2018 by Rosen-not-Chosen
White Linen Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 1:00 PM, jrober38 said: Spin it anyway you want. Josh Allen isn't an accurate passer. Inaccurate college QBs don't become accurate once they get to the NFL. Josh Allen completed 56% of his throws against garbage competition. Expand You don't know a damn thing about accuracy because you're a sheep. Tyrod threw for 62.7% last year - is he accurate? 2
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) On 4/27/2018 at 1:01 PM, dneveu said: ok... do you want him to be good? or do you want to be right? Expand I want him to be good, but I'm convinced we just flushed 3-4 years down the toilet with this pick. There is no precedent for guys like Allen being successful in the NFL. I've watched JP Losman, Josh Freeman, Kyle Boller, Josh Freeman, Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker, and Allen is just like all of those guys. Being big and strong and able to throw the ball 80 yards isn't enough in the NFL. Poor accuracy and decision making isn't something that gets corrected once you're playing against the best defenders in the world and the throwing lanes get significantly smaller than the ones he faced in the Mountain West Conference. Someone was going to get suckered into thinking they could "fix" Allen. I'm really disappointed it was the Bills. Edited April 27, 2018 by jrober38
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