Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That kid will be cold calling you soon to pump you some penny stocks... "uh, yes sir, I was a National Champion with Coach at Alabama--but more importantly, my Business Degree from Bama has placed me in a unique position to be able to offer a few select potential investors such as yourself this once in a lifetime opportunity to get in on the ground level of this........" Don't think that will be his career path. He's a great punter. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jk-scott?id=32462018-0002-5600-7115-5dafcb9a6922 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Tuition room and board at Alabama for in state kids is 25,000. At UCLA (and Berkeley) it's 29,000. About an extra 5,000 in incidentals at both. Alabama is about 1/2 the cost of Berkeley for CA students that have a min 32 ACT and a min 3.5 GPA, plus those kids aren't guaranteed admission at Berkeley. In-state cost for Alabama students isn't germane to the discussion. https://financialaid.berkeley.edu/cost-attendance Top Kids from IL are flocking to UA because of the cost of The University of Illinois. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-students-brain-drain-20180405-story.html Edited April 12, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) Just now, Sky Diver said: Top students from all over the country feel differently. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-students-brain-drain-20180405-story.html http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html I don't have any dog in this fight. But Not a single one of those articles say anything about Alabama being a top school. Every one says that those students in the articles are picking Alabama because they are offering them much more in scholarship money. The articles say Alabama has put a focus on recruiting students with scholarships. Theres a big difference between someone picking a school because it's a top academic facility, and picking a school because they offered them a full scholarship. I am not saying Alabama is a bad school by any means, just to be clear. Edited April 12, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: I don't have any dog in this fight. But Not a single one of those articles say anything about Alabama being a top school. Every one says that those students in the articles are picking Alabama because they are offering them much more in scholarship money. The articles say Alabama has put a focus on recruiting students with scholarships. Theres a big difference between someone picking a school because it's a top academic facility, and picking a school because they offered them a full scholarship. I am not saying Alabama is a bad school by any means, just to be clear. Is there a fight??? I'm educating since there is a lot of ignorance about Alabama. Are top students attending Alabama? The answer is clearly yes. The proof is the 75th percentile ACT score of 32 and the number of NMF's, which is among the highest in the country. With the guaranteed merit scholarships it's a bargain for students that have high stats. I don't know how to define a "top" school. Alabama has world class facilities, they produce a high number of Goldwater, Rhodes, Boren, and Truman scholars, and graduates are successful at getting into great graduate and professional schools and companies. Edited April 12, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This thread needs more Phyllis from Mulga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This thread needs more Phyllis from Mulga Great call! Love the passion. Roll Tide! I feel sorry for this miserable SOB. "Do they still play the Brute Aftershave Bowl because I think that's where Ohio State is headed." "It's that damn children's hospital"! Lol. Edited April 12, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Great call! Love the passion. Roll Tide! I feel sorry for this miserable SOB. "Do they still play the Brute Aftershave Bowl because I think that's where Ohio State is headed." Lol That could be me. I’m not an Ohio State homer, sorry. I don’t even know any. I root for them hard but couldn’t be more critical. Edited April 12, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: That could be me. I’m not an Ohio State homer, sorry. I don’t even know any. Probably because even Ohio residents root for the Tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Probably because even Ohio residents root for the Tide. You are starting to frighten me there is a difference between a fan and a homer. Not all fans are homers. In fact, most knowledgeable fans are not homers. They are realistic fans. No one cares about the Tide, or the SEC, in Ohio. Just like I’m sure they don’t watch the big 10 in the south. Edited April 12, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You are starting to frighten me It was a joke. You live in Ohio and you don't know any Ohio State fans? Hmm. The folks I know from Ohio are pretty passionate about OSU football. Edited April 12, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: It was a joke. You live in Ohio and you don't know any Ohio State fans? Hmm. The folks I know from Ohio are pretty passionate about football. Yes, we are all fans. Yes, we are all passionate. No, I don’t know any homers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Yes, we are all fans. Yes, we are all passionate. No, I don’t know any homers. Okay, whatever that means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Phyllis from Mulga and the sad sack OSU fan would make a sweet couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Don't think that will be his career path. He's a great punter. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jk-scott?id=32462018-0002-5600-7115-5dafcb9a6922 Alabama is about 1/2 the cost of Berkeley for CA students that have a min 32 ACT and a min 3.5 GPA, plus those kids aren't guaranteed admission at Berkeley. In-state cost for Alabama students isn't germane to the discussion. https://financialaid.berkeley.edu/cost-attendance Top Kids from IL are flocking to UA because of the cost of The University of Illinois. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-students-brain-drain-20180405-story.html Cost of Attendance The table below shows in-state and out-of-state tuition and fees for the 2017-2018 academic year. These amounts reflect the estimated costs for a full-time dependent undergraduate student. For additional information, visit studentaccounts.ua.edu. Direct Cost In-State Out-of-State Indirect Cost In-State Out-of-State Tuition $10,780 $28,100 Fees Estimate $800 $800 Room $8,900 $8,900 Board $4,324 $4,324 Total Direct Cost $24,804 $42,124 Books $1,200 $1,200 Transportation $1,740 $2,870 Miscellaneous $2,380 $2,380 Loan Fee Estimate $60 $60 Total Indirect Cost $5,380 $6,510 TOTAL (Direct + Indirect) $30,184 $48,634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Sky Diver said: My point: The University of Alabama has very generous scholarships for high stat students. Whoa, stop the freaking presses!!! An institution of higher learning actually rewards the best students. Why hasn’t this been tried before? 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Okay, whatever that means. So you’re saying you need the remedial course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Whoa, stop the freaking presses!!! An institution of higher learning actually rewards the best students. Why hasn’t this been tried before? Most scholarships have a financial need component. Alabama’s academic scholarships are strictly merit based and they are guaranteed X SAT/ACT, X GPA = X $’s. Plus, they are very generous. It’s been a brilliant strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I don't have any dog in this fight. But Not a single one of those articles say anything about Alabama being a top school. Every one says that those students in the articles are picking Alabama because they are offering them much more in scholarship money. The articles say Alabama has put a focus on recruiting students with scholarships. Theres a big difference between someone picking a school because it's a top academic facility, and picking a school because they offered them a full scholarship. I am not saying Alabama is a bad school by any means, just to be clear. Dingdingdingding! Why is our neighbor's top student studying Math at Alabama? Because they offered him the best scholarship deal at a good price and recruited him. He was accepted at a more prestigious school and was prepared to go - his math prof. Mom booked herself to teach extra summer classes to earn the extra money - then UA called and said "come here, we'll give you all this $$", they offered him the chance to do math research as a Freshman etc etc.... I'm not saying that UA is a bad school, far from it, but BF4 has it right, those articles are all about UA marketing itself to bring in top students who raise their SAT and ACT score ranges, not about UA being a better academic school than UofI etc..... .....and wait for it: none of them address Rosen's comments at all, since he didn't contend anything about UA overall academically, just about the football program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Most scholarships have a financial need component. Alabama’s academic scholarships are strictly merit based and they are guaranteed X SAT/ACT, X GPA = X $’s. Plus, they are very generous. It’s been a brilliant strategy. That is nothing new or unusual, but perhaps your favorite school offers those incentives because it is the only way they can attract non-knuckle draggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Most scholarships have a financial need component. Alabama’s academic scholarships are strictly merit based and they are guaranteed X SAT/ACT, X GPA = X $’s. Plus, they are very generous. It’s been a brilliant strategy. It's a common strategy. We have a file of letters from various out-of-state, public universities offering my kid various forms of scholarship up to and including free rides (she didn't accept any of them). It's a win-win-lose: the school wins because they boost their average SAT/ACT scores and raise the high end of the range, thus improving their USN ranking and overall charisma as a "good academic" school. The smart out of state students, many of whom wouldn't qualify for merit aid at elite private schools, win. The in-state students whose families tax dollars are funding those universities, lose because there are fewer spots available to them at their own in-state school and less merit-based scholarships for students who need it. Whether it's brilliant or no, depends upon your perspective, what you feel the mission of state-funded public universities should be and what students they should serve. Edited April 12, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/education/some-question-merit-aid-at-university-of-oklahoma.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a common strategy. We have a file of letters from various out-of-state, public universities offering my kid various forms of scholarship up to and including free rides (she didn't accept any of them). It's a win-win-lose: the school wins because they boost their average SAT/ACT scores and raise the high end of the range, thus improving their USN ranking and overall charisma as a "good academic" school. The smart out of state students, many of whom wouldn't qualify for merit aid at elite private schools, win. The in-state students whose families tax dollars are funding those universities, lose because there are fewer spots available to them at their own in-state school and less merit-based scholarships for students who need it. Whether it's brilliant or no, depends upon your perspective, what you feel the mission of state-funded public universities should be and what students they should serve. It’s not a common strategy. Name the “elite” schools that offer super generous merit based scholarships that don’t require any financial reporting. 19 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/education/some-question-merit-aid-at-university-of-oklahoma.html 2012 article. They have made significant changes since then. 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a common strategy. We have a file of letters from various out-of-state, public universities offering my kid various forms of scholarship up to and including free rides (she didn't accept any of them). It's a win-win-lose: the school wins because they boost their average SAT/ACT scores and raise the high end of the range, thus improving their USN ranking and overall charisma as a "good academic" school. The smart out of state students, many of whom wouldn't qualify for merit aid at elite private schools, win. The in-state students whose families tax dollars are funding those universities, lose because there are fewer spots available to them at their own in-state school and less merit-based scholarships for students who need it. Whether it's brilliant or no, depends upon your perspective, what you feel the mission of state-funded public universities should be and what students they should serve. Full ride meaning tuition and room/board and no financial reporting was required, plus it was guaranteed? Hmm. Which schools were they? Edited April 12, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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