Comprehensive "Tyrod Taylor is Bad" Thread (VERY Comprehensive)

[Bills Pimpin']

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You really don't pay attention as per usual. Different name, same silliness.   You're dismissed.

 

 

They all began the season as starters.  The Bills have no viable alternative on the current roster. Thanks for playing and on to the 2018 draft to find the potential franchise QB.  Keep pimpin'  I mean simpin' 

Dude, you just compared Tyrod to:

Glennon, benched for a rookie

Hoyer, benched for a rookie then traded

Simien, bench for Osweiler

Osweiler(???), benched for Lynch

And TJ Yates who is only starting because Watson tore an ACL and Tom effing Savage is concussed.

 

So please, please stop defending Tyrod. He is a lousy QB which is most likely the 2nd best QB on this roster a even though the backup threw 5 picks in a half which I am positive you will bring up. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

 

This is exactly the group Tyrod belongs in: career backups who become fringe starters out of desperation when there are no other options. However, no one defends these guys or proclaims them to be "elite" by any measure. They are punchlines, just as you have intended to use them here. 

 

I watched one game with Osweiler this year. The guy was not good. However, even he was making certain throws that Taylor has NEVER shown any acumen for. Taylor is just smarter with the football and understands how to work within his own limitations overall better than the group of clowns you listed. I don't know much about the "intangible" side of things with that group, but I would imagine that Taylor is far and away superior on that front as far as that is concerned. 

 

 

You're just a guy who comes on with a lot of opinions and BS conjecture with not one shred of evidence to back you crap.    Like I said before all of those QBs are on losing teams. Explain how the BIlls have a winning record with Taylor at the helm while the others do not for their entire careers. 

[BrooklynBills]

23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

People act as if the 2017 Bills have some great roster that's carrying Tyrod with a stout defense and a team full of dangerous offensive weapons.  If he was really a crap QB on the level on Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, etc, the Bills would be the 4-12 team that many projected them to be. Yet here we are with 8 wins with a chance to make the playoffs at 9-7.  There's a whole lot of bluster and BS conjecture in this thread that doesn't add up.  

Do you watch the games? Asking for a friend....

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Dude, you just compared Tyrod to:

Glennon, benched for a rookie

Hoyer, benched for a rookie then traded

Simien, bench for Osweiler

Osweiler(???), benched for Lynch

And TJ Yates who is only starting because Watson tore an ACL and Tom effing Savage is concussed.

 

So please, please stop defending Tyrod. He is a lousy QB which is most likely the 2nd best QB on this roster a even though the backup threw 5 picks in a half which I am positive you will bring up. 

 

I named them because that's who you knuckleheads claim he's in the company of.  Again, look at their respective team's W/L record when they start as opposed to the BIlls.  Why aren't the Bills terrible with respect W/L when he plays? 

 

3 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said:

Do you watch the games? Asking for a friend....

 

Do you?

 

See how easy that was?

Edited December 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[BrooklynBills]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Do you?

 

Yes

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BrooklynBills said:

Yes

 

Same here.  He does some good and some bad if anyone is being honest. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Well what you're arguing doesn't matter, does it? We already know we're going to replace Taylor.

 

Yet, as it is...

 

Despite missing what translates to a full NFL game, he's still responsible for 54% of the offensive snaps, 61% of the offense's total yards, 58% of the offense's total 1st downs...and 65% of the offensive TDs.

 

We have the 8th worst defense by yards, 3rd worst run defense, and we're 18th in points given up per game. Yes we have an opportunistic defense, but even there we're tied for 8th in takeaways.

 

Yet somehow, despite a 5 interception half by Not Ready Nate, we're still 6th in our turnover differential and go into week 17 with a legitimate shot at the playoffs for the first time in 12-13 years.

 

 

Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Tyrod Taylor has been an important part to this team getting to this point this year.

 

Maybe you weirdos will get your wish and  this next game will be the very last game that you have to root for him. Or maybe, just maybe we make it into the playoffs for the first time this millennium and you have to keep rooting for Taylor and give him just a little bit of credit. Like I said, we can start searching for our new QB as soon as the season is done, but it's not

 

 

 

 

#DefensiveYardsMatter

[Bills Pimpin']

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I named them because that's who you knuckleheads claim he's in the company of.  Again, look at their respective team's W/L record when they start as opposed to the BIlls.  Why aren't the Bills terrible with respect W/L when he plays? 

Because of a great coach, a surrounding offensive cast that is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be, a good defense (with a spectacular back end), a potential rookie of the year shut down corner,  a future HOF running back with a top 5 rushing game, and one of the only home field advantage in the NFL. With 27 of the other 31 QB's in the league we are already in the playoffs. You must believe that, do you not?

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Because of a great coach, a surrounding offensive cast that is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be, a good defense (with a spectacular back end), a potential rookie of the year shut down corner,  a future HOF running back with a top 5 rushing game, and one of the only home field advantage in the NFL. With 27 of the other 31 QB's in the league we are already in the playoffs. You must believe that, do you not?

 

A great coach?  No he is not at all with many suspect in game decisions. Good defense?  You cannot be serious. The run D is atrocious! No, I don't and especially not behind the OL we currently have that struggles mightily with pass blocking in too many games.  Try again.

Edited December 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[Teddy KGB]

43 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You really don't pay attention as per usual. Different name, same silliness.   You're dismissed.

 

Can you dismiss yourself from answering questions not posed to you ? 

 

Enjoy your meltdown bud.     It’s understable and unfortuNate ???

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Can you dismiss yourself from answering questions not posed to you ? 

 

Enjoy your meltdown bud.     It’s understable and unfortuNate ???

 

No meltdown.  You're just too easy to refute with the weak arguments you put forth.  

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No meltdown.  You're just too easy to refute with the weak arguments you put forth.  

 

Let it all out.    A good cry will help you move on.  

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Let it all out.    A good cry will help you move on.  

 

Is that your best comeback? 

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Is that your best comeback? 

 

Dont need one.      You and the 185 yard kid are going places.         

 

Another season down the drain with another bum Bills qb. 

 

UnfortuNate but expected. 

[xRUSHx]

On 12/24/2017 at 11:42 PM, BigDingus said:

I'm just going to put everything I can out there and go all-in on this. I'm sure I'll get the "you've got too much time on your hands" comments, or "you're a hater" responses, but this is just info that backs everything we've seen, and I wanted it all in one place for future reference.

 

Bills Passing Offenses Under Tyrod Taylor

2015 - 28th (12th overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/index.htm

2016 - 30th (11th overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/index.htm

2017 - 32nd (23rd overall) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/index.htm

4th Quarter Comebacks Under Tyrod Taylor

Tied for 231st (dead last) out of all QB's since 1960 with a total of 3.

Tied with greats like JP Losman,  Kelly Holcomb, & Jamarcus Russell, and behind other greats like Blaine Gabbert, Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, & Tim Tebow.

Want to know some players who already have him beat that haven't even played as long?
Teddy Bridgewater - 4, Brock Osweiler - 4, Dak Prescott - 5, Marcus Mariota - 7, Kirk Cousins - 8, and Derek Carr - 13.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Record when down by even a single point at any time in the 4th Quarter:
 

3-20 all time.

 

2015:

1. Loss to Patriots 32-40

2. Loss to Giants 10-24

3. Win vs Titans 14-13

4. Loss to Patriots 13-20

5. Loss to Chiefs 22-30

6. Loss to Eagles 20-23

7. Loss to Redskins 25-35

2016:

8. Loss to Ravens 7-13

9. Loss to Jets 31-37

10. Loss to Dolphins 25-28

11. Loss to Patriots 25-41

12. Loss to Seahawks 25-31

13. Win vs Jaguars 28-21

14. Loss to Raiders 24-38

15. Loss to Steelers 20-27

16. Loss to Dolphins 31-34

2017:

17. Loss to Panthers 3-9

18. Loss to Bengals 16-20

19. Win vs Buccaneers 30-27

20. Loss to Jets 21-34

21. Loss to Saints 10-47

22. Loss to Patriots 3-23

23. Loss to Patriots 16-37

 

Other Fun Info:

-Took until week 12 against the Chiefs to lead a 1st Quarter TD drive.

-Leads an offense ranked 31st overall in 1st downs.

-Want to know why we kick FG's on 4th down or punt on 4th & short? We're 2 & 13 overall on 4th down this year. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

-We have the 2nd most 3 & outs in the league with 31 (only behind Indianapolis with 32).

-Therefore we have the 2nd most punts with 30 (only behind NY Giants with 31).

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef

 

-Tyrod is ranked 33rd (out of 35) in passing yards per game with 178. Only Tom Savage & Brett Hundley have fewer. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYardsPerGame

-"Oh but he's got a great completion percentage!" - He's ranked 18th overall. Not impressive at all.

-"But what about his passer rating?!" - It's 19th overall. Still below average.

-Passing TD's he's ranked 25th overall with 13 on the year.

Record against the Patriots:

-1-5, with his 1 win coming against the 3rd string rookie Jacoby Brissett in 2016. He threw for a whopping 1 TD in that game, with us winning 16-0. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00/gamelog/?opp_id=nwe
 

-In games against Brady-lead Patriots teams, he has 3 passing TDs, all in his first game. In the other 4, he has thrown 0.

His numbers in those games:

Game 1: 242 yards, 3 TD's, 3 INT's 76.7% completion

Game 2: 233 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 55.6% completion

Game 3: 183 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 50% completion

Game 4: 65 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT's, 50% completion

Game 5: 281 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 55% completion
 

Addressing Common Claims:

-"Passing yards don't matter! Who cares if he doesn't throw for 300 yards!"

*Problem...The successful teams have successful passing attacks. Leaders in the league are Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Case Keenum, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles.

Nearly all of those teams are either in the playoffs, or in contention.

-In 3 seasons as a starter, he has ONE career 300 yard game, and that was because the game went into OT, allowing him the extra yards to crack 300.

-"But Big-D, we're a run-first offense so he doesn't get as many attempts!"
 

*Problem...his attempts are low due to his execution on the field. When you lead the league in 3 & outs, where are you? Not on the field. If they moved the ball, he'd have more attempts by virtue of simply being out there still playing!

**Even so, he is 27th in yards per attempt with 6.52... Give him 5 extra attempts (which would be more than half the league on average), and he'd only have 32.6 extra yards (assuming he completed every pass).

-"It's the offensive coordinator! The playcalling sucks!"

*Problem...We've had 3 offensive coordinators in 3 years, and they all try their damndest to get something out of the passing game with TT. The passing game regresses each year, but at times they manage to compensate with the run game. However, teams more & more commit to stopping the run & forcing Tyrod to play QB, which has become an effective strategy. Coaches that say "we are a run-first team that wants to pound the ball & play tough defense," do so because they have no other choice.

**If a team has a competent QB, they don't have to declare anything like that. They can like to run the ball, but still pass just as often, if not more. Teams without QB's have no other choice but to try & pound the ball. You're not going to gameplan for some crazy passing attack with a QB who can't throw the ball...you try to run, and mix in short passes, play action, screens, & take a couple shots. That's it. There's no other option. Blaming every single OC who comes through town as the reason playcalling sucks, as if it's that simple, is an exercise in futility. They are working with a gimped playbook, and handicapped by the QB behind center. If the QB has shown to be unable to execute, you can only do so much.

***A simple playbook can help streamline things against certain weaker teams, but when facing top-tier coaches & talent, you run into a wall. You can question them as much as you want, but you won't know what they really want to do (or can do) until you have a QB capable of executing on the field.

More Fun Facts!

-Tyrod ranks 19th in total QBR out of 32 players...so "below average."
-Tyrod's BEST game of the season is ranked 41st out of all games played (Week 15 against Miami) out of 50. http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-game
-Above him are Jacoby Brissett, Josh McCown, C.J. Beathard, Dak Prescott, Case Keenum, Brock Osweiller, Sam Bradford, Jimmy Garoppolo, DeShaun Watson, Kirk Cousins & all the other usual suspects.

-Leader in receptions on our team: LeSean McCoy with 57. Next, Charles Clay with 43. Then comes the dropoff, Zay Jones & Jordan Matthews tied with 25 a piece. Next we have Nick O'leary with 21, tied with Deonte Thompson at 21. WR's don't get much action under TT.

-In terms of receiving yards, it's Charles Clay with 457 followed by LeSean McCoy at 350. Don't forget, Clay missed a couple games due to injuries as well, yet he still tops all actual WRs.

-Tyrod had a couple good passes to WR's today, but overall he doesn't throw their way often. He sees his outlet pass or last read as the first option and dumps off to the RB & TE, even on 3rd & long. He rarely hits receivers in stride, or won't throw to them at all unless they're wide open on all sides of the ball. He doesn't "throw guys open" nor does he audible out of plays at the line he knows are bad. He throws to the short route even though men downfield are open, and he frequently doesn't see open men at all. On top of that, how many times does he throw into the dirt to wide open receivers? All. The. Time.

-Does he hold on to the ball too long? Yes.
 Tyrod's "Time to Throw" is at 3.0 seconds, 3rd highest in the league. Only above him are DeShaun Watson & Russell Wilson.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

-Also, in terms of where he throws the ball, he throws half a yard short of the sticks on average, good for 22nd in the league.

-To further highlight this point, there is a metric called "Aggressiveness/AGG%" where Tyrod is ranked 32nd. Aggressiveness rating is defined as "the amount of passing attempts a QB makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts."

So in summation/TL;DR - Tyrod isn't good. Also, just to make sure people take this seriously, I have a source inside OBD that told me Tyrod is bad, and the Bills don't want him as QB. There, now it's official.

Excellent thread man thanks for taking the time to make it.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

People act as if the 2017 Bills have some great roster that's carrying Tyrod with a stout defense and a team full of dangerous offensive weapons.  If he was really a crap QB on the level on Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, etc, the Bills would be the 4-12 team that many projected them to be. Yet here we are with 8 wins with a chance to make the playoffs at 9-7.  There's a whole lot of bluster and BS conjecture in this thread that doesn't add up.  

 

Yes, people are stupid.

 

Before the season I posted basically a "why not us?" playoff thread and I got plenty "have you seen the roster?!?!" responses.

 

I think people just feel like it's a requirement to overreact on the Internet since it's such an anonymous form of speech.

 

Lots of paper tigers who crawl into holes when they're clearly wrong.

 

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

So basically you want him back next year ? 

 

I want a Franchise QB found in the offseason. If it's a vet like Kirk Cousins, which would not be my choice, then no, of course I don't want him back. But if it is a drafted rookie, we are going to need three QBs on this roster. And depending on who that rookie is and where we acquire him, we are probably going to need a QB who starts in game one, and that might be Taylor, who is under a contract that expires at the end of next year.

2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

 

This is exactly the group Tyrod belongs in: career backups who become fringe starters out of desperation when there are no other options. However, no one defends these guys or proclaims them to be "elite" by any measure. They are punchlines, just as you have intended to use them here. 

 

I watched one game with Osweiler this year. The guy was not good. However, even he was making certain throws that Taylor has NEVER shown any acumen for. Taylor is just smarter with the football and understands how to work within his own limitations overall better than the group of clowns you listed. I don't know much about the "intangible" side of things with that group, but I would imagine that Taylor is far and away superior on that front as far as that is concerned. 

 

 

Who argues Taylor's Elite???

2 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:

Do you watch the games? Asking for a friend....

 

Do you?

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

#DefensiveYardsMatter

 

A spectacular post

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Because of a great coach, a surrounding offensive cast that is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be, a good defense (with a spectacular back end), a potential rookie of the year shut down corner,  a future HOF running back with a top 5 rushing game, and one of the only home field advantage in the NFL. With 27 of the other 31 QB's in the league we are already in the playoffs. You must believe that, do you not?

 

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

 

Unreal the way some people isolate everything else that the other 52 men on the roster and the coaches do well from all their shortcomings for the purpose of isolating all of Tyrod Taylor's shortcomings from everything he does well.  

[BringBackOrton]

12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yes, people are stupid.

 

Before the season I posted basically a "why not us?" playoff thread and I got plenty "have you seen the roster?!?!" responses.

 

I think people just feel like it's a requirement to overreact on the Internet since it's such an anonymous form of speech.

 

Lots of paper tigers who crawl into holes when they're clearly wrong.

 

 

I want a Franchise QB found in the offseason. If it's a vet like Kirk Cousins, which would not be my choice, then no, of course I don't want him back. But if it is a drafted rookie, we are going to need three QBs on this roster. And depending on who that rookie is and where we acquire him, we are probably going to need a QB who starts in game one, and that might be Taylor, who is under a contract that expires at the end of next year.

 

Who argues Taylor's Elite???

 

Do you?

 

A spectacular post

BADOL, in this topic or the other Taylor topic, said he was elite in 2015 with Watkins and Woods.

 

Now that the CoT has dwindled to a few members, it's easy to tell who said what.

 

Then again, you said McD might think TT is our QB of the future, so good on you for not crawling into a hole when being wrong.

 

Why are you so against a good young QB prospect playing next year?  Seriously.

Edited December 27, 2017 by jmc12290

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

BADOL, in this topic or the other Taylor topic, said he was elite in 2015 with Watkins and Woods.

 

Now that the CoT has dwindled to a few members, it's easy to tell who said what.

 

He actually used the words "Taylor was Elite" in that instance or was it more like "his numbers were borderline elite with those guys," because there's a difference.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He actually used the words "Taylor was Elite" in that instance or was it more like "his numbers were borderline elite with those guys," because there's a difference.

Sorry, I edited my post.

 

Why are you so against a high level rookie QB prospect starting in 2018?  Why do we need a QB like Taylor to play week one?

 

He said he was elite, then clarified that his numbers WERE elite.  Which is, well, not true.

Edited December 27, 2017 by jmc12290