LeGOATski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, rsxfirefighter said: Looked up the rule on NFL.Com and it draws "opinion" into the definition of "touched" when reading #6. Unfortunately, there is no dates on changes to the rules to tell if this is a new addition to the rule book. According to the Rulebook at NFL.com: Digest of Rules Main Kickoff In addition to a kickoff, the other free kick is a kick after a safety (safety kick). A punt may be used (a punt may not be used on a kickoff). On a safety kick, the team scored upon puts ball in play by a punt, dropkick, or placekick without tee. No score can be made on a free kick following a safety, even if a series of penalties places team in position. (A field goal can be scored only on a play from scrimmage or a free kick after a fair catch.) A kickoff may not score a field goal. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver’s ball at out-of-bounds spot. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch. "Touched last by receiving team" is clear. It just depends on when the touch happens. If the player is out of bounds, then the ball is OOB immediately. If the player is not OOB and touches the ball first, then it's live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I don’t think he had time. That ball died quickly and the dolphins were coming fast. He had to be quick to grab it or things may have gotten a lot more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: This irked me a bit. In the end it didn't matter since we scored a TD anyway, but Tate missed a golden opportunity. When a kickoff is bouncing toward out of bounds, Tate should have put one foot out of bounds before playing the ball. That would create a penalty on Miami and would have given us the ball on the 40. Instead Tate only got to the 19. I know the Patriots pulled that BS on us before. That is the rule, isn't it, or does it only apply to New England? You are correct, sir. Green Bay does this trick all the time............however, those players are taught to do it. If our coaching staff doesnt even know about this trick (i'm just guessing here) then how does anyone expect to pass it on to the players? It is a very smart football play that incorporates the NFL rules against itself and any advantage that can be exploited through the rules itself, is something i'm completely onboard with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Tate is a crappy returner. I was excited when we got him and I'm always (as in, every !@#$ing kickoff) waiting for "this to be the one." But he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 23 minutes ago, Gugny said: Tate is a crappy returner. I was excited when we got him and I'm always (as in, every !@#$ing kickoff) waiting for "this to be the one." But he sucks. Anyone you like on the roster? ( I just took the lead, Expos 2, Mets 1 ) As a matter of Fact..Tate is terrible. Brings nothing to special teams although I will commend his sure hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, Gugny said: Tate is a crappy returner. I was excited when we got him and I'm always (as in, every !@#$ing kickoff) waiting for "this to be the one." But he sucks. It seems to be a coverage problem. Many guys can return kicks. The coverage needs to create opportunities. I haven't seen many, if any, opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I dont think that is how the rule is applied It actually is. If the player recovering the ball is out of bounds, then the ball is too. Edited December 18, 2017 by CLTbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I dont think that is how the rule is applied Yes it is. Leon Washington did it to us before with the Jets If any part of your body is out of bounds when touching a ball in bounds, the ball is deemed to be out of bounds, no different than a player recovering a fumble. Edited December 18, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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