BigPappy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If you watched this game and concluded that tyrod is the problem, then you don't understand football. Actually, many of us understand the game of football very well. Taylor is the root of the offensive issues. The Jets blueprinted how every team can beat the bills. Its simple. TT is not a threat throwing the ball.....PERIOD!!!. He is not capable of throwing receivers open, in fact he will not throw to a receiver unless he is nearly wide open. Additionally, he has not short game. He seems unwilling to throw into tight windows because he does not throw slant routes or 5 to 8 yard routes in the middle of the field. Everyone that plays against him knows this and that he holds the ball to long. You give him a 6 D linemen front and have your ends set the edge so he can't scramble and you have just nullified TT's game. He can't \ Won't throw the short game and he'll have no time for medium to long passes so you'll have to rely on the run game and with the teams stacking the box because TT Sucks, running will be tough going. Hilarious. You didn't watch the game if you think Tyrod was the issue tonight. The OL was dominated in the the run and passing game. Yes, but that does not mean that TT still doesn't suck. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Those are fair points. I'm not here to argue that TT is good. I'm here to say he had absolutely no chance last night. There o line got man handled in every facet of the game. Put in Tom Brady and the Bills would still lose this game. Brady might not have won the game but believe the Jets gameplan would have been different. Brady and McCoy on the field would have produced more than 21 points (of which 14 were garbage time). I have a feeling if Brady were on our team this might have been the first loss though. The Bills got lost in the big lights and kept turning the ball over, the Jets rose to the ocassion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Actually, many of us understand the game of football very well. Taylor is the root of the offensive issues. The Jets blueprinted how every team can beat the bills. Its simple. TT is not a threat throwing the ball.....PERIOD!!!. He is not capable of throwing receivers open, in fact he will not throw to a receiver unless he is nearly wide open. Additionally, he has not short game. He seems unwilling to throw into tight windows because he does not throw slant routes or 5 to 8 yard routes in the middle of the field. Everyone that plays against him knows this and that he holds the ball to long. You give him a 6 D linemen front and have your ends set the edge so he can't scramble and you have just nullified TT's game. He can't \ Won't throw the short game and he'll have no time for medium to long passes so you'll have to rely on the run game and with the teams stacking the box because TT Sucks, running will be tough going. Yes, but that does not mean that TT still doesn't suck. See above. Wrong! You simply haven't been paying attention this season as evidenced by what I highlighted that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I guess they just don't understand why the stacked box stops the run. A good QB makes teams respect the throw so the running back can be a running back. Fitz had the same problem teams didn't respect his throws even though Fitz was a bigger gamer then Tyrod he didn't have the touch to be anything other then a fill in part time starter just like Tyrod, backups that can have decent games but not good enough to be playoff caliber for a full season. People said the same with Fitz, with a real good D they can go to the playoffs with him, sadly team after team proved nope no playoffs with Fitz at QB, the same will be true about Tyrod, after 7 years the truth is out. Stacked box, HELLO Baltimore's game plan, make him be a QB, hello I'm not so sure why you are so stubborn with this argument. Every single team stacks the box against the Bills. The difference is last night the Jets owned on 1 on 1 matchups in the run and pass game. Not sure why that's so hard to understand. Answer me this. How many QBS win games when there star running backs get under 30 yards? And how many QBs win games when their own defence gives up 200 on the ground? Seriously how many? Your crusade against Tyrod is pretty sad. "Tyrod sucks because all 5 o linemen got blown up all night". That's basically his argument in other words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 No run game at all, no pass blocking, defence gave up almost 200 on the ground, terrible coaching, ridiculous penalties, 3 turnovers... If Tom Brady could win that game, he would end the discussion about being the greatest ever Does defense give up 200 if the offense can sustsin a drive. Do drives die with a QB that cant audible at the line? Does the offense continue running same very specific game plan built to hide a flawed QB with Brady? Is Tom Brady undefeated in his career? The way you talk about him youd think he has never lost a game. We were down 31-7 at one point and Taylor was completing over 60% of his passes when that happened. You think any QB would have won that?? Yippie the completion percentage defense for an ultra safe QB that doesnt throw the risky throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I'm not so sure why you are so stubborn with this argument. Every single team stacks the box against the Bills. The difference is last night the Jets owned on 1 on 1 matchups in the run and pass game. Not sure why that's so hard to understand. Answer me this. How many QBS win games when there star running backs get under 30 yards? And how many QBs win games when their own defence gives up 200 on the ground? Seriously how many? "Tyrod sucks because all 5 o linemen got blown up all night". That's basically his argument in other words Yep. Makes no sense. That was one putrid performance by the OL with no exceptions for any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Hello! A typical tweet for all his apologists that never want to put any blame on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Answer me this. How many QBS win games when there star running backs get under 30 yards? And how many QBs win games when their own defence gives up 200 on the ground? Seriously how many? Using Pro Football References game finder I found that there were ZERO games where both these factors happened and a team won. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2000&year_max=2017&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&game_result=W&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=lte&c1val=30&c2stat=rush_yds_opp&c2comp=gte&c2val=200&c5val=1.0&order_by=game_date And there were 39 games where that happened, all losses: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2000&year_max=2017&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&game_result=L&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=lte&c1val=30&c2stat=rush_yds_opp&c2comp=gte&c2val=200&c5val=1.0&order_by=game_date So I stand by what I said. No QB in the league wins this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Your crusade against Tyrod is pretty sad. And the typical response from his apologists. Good i have seen all the recycled excuses and responses defend him took longer than i thought it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) A typical tweet for all his apologists that never want to put any blame on him Don't give me that! The OL was dominated at the LOS all game long in both the run and pass game. No QB would succeed under those circumstances. And the typical response from his apologists. Good i have seen all the recycled excuses and responses defend him took longer than i thought it would Just stop! Edited November 3, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Wrong! You simply haven't been paying attention this season as evidenced by what I highlighted that post. Really? You might want to learn how to chart passes. How many Slants has Taylor actually threw this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Does defense give up 200 if the offense can sustsin a drive. Do drives die with a QB that cant audible at the line? Does the offense continue running same very specific game plan built to hide a flawed QB with Brady? No probably not 200 if they can sustain drives, but probably still 150 plus. Don't excuse the defence on this one. Why don't you just acknowledge that the Bills got owned in coaching and in the trenches last night? I get you think Tyrod sucks but come on dude. Want to know 2 bills possessions in a row? First drive of the half. 2 runs for 1 yard, 3rd down the right tackle kills Mills and hits Tyrod as he throws. Incomplete. 2nd drive, 1st down run for 0 gain. False start which put the Bills into 2nd and 14 on their own 1 yard line. I'm guessing those 2 non sustained drives were his fault? Nothing to do with piss poor play calling and getting owned at the line? Well I know you're going to say yes because you will find any reason to blame him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Really? You might want to learn how to chart passes. How many Slants has Taylor actually threw this year. Please stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Don't give me that! The OL was dominated at the LOS all game long in both the rub and pass game. No QB would succeed under those circumstances. Just stop! Again yes the OL was beat alot. However what dont you get. When you have to have a very specific offense for a flawed QB these games will happen. He was back to his indecisive self with happy feet in the pocket. And yes that is your typical road TT. A QB at his ceiling that is just not good enough. No probably not 200 if they can sustain drives, but probably still 150 plus. Don't excuse the defence on this one. Why don't you just acknowledge that the Bills got owned in coaching and in the trenches last night? I get you think Tyrod sucks but come on dude. Want to know 2 bills possessions in a row? First drive of the half. 2 runs for 1 yard, 3rd down the right tackle kills Mills and hits Tyrod as he throws. Incomplete. 2nd drive, 1st down run for 0 gain. False start which put the Bills into 2nd and 14 on their own 1 yard line. I'm guessing those 2 non sustained drives were his fault? Nothing to do with piss poor play calling and getting owned at the line? Well I know you're going to say yes because you will find any reason to blame him No again it was a total team loss. I never said anything else did I? Taylor is a big reason as well though. All phases need to play above avg for him to win. When defense struggles count the loss. He doesnt elevate play of those around him. It is vice versa others around him need to elevate his play Is that what you want at QB going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Again yes the OL was beat alot. However what dont you get. When you have to have a very specific offense for a flawed QB these games will happen. He was back to his indecisive self with happy feet in the pocket. And yes that is your typical road TT. A QB at his ceiling that is just not good enough. No again it was a total team loss. I never said anything else did I? Taylor is a big reason as well though. All phases need to play above avg for him to win. When defense struggles count the loss. He doesnt elevate play of those around him. It is vice versa others around him need to elevate his play Is that what you want at QB going forward? Buddy, I am not arguing about TTs career. I'm talking about this game last night. He had absolutely no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Using Pro Football References game finder I found that there were ZERO games where both these factors happened and a team won. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2000&year_max=2017&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&game_result=W&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=lte&c1val=30&c2stat=rush_yds_opp&c2comp=gte&c2val=200&c5val=1.0&order_by=game_date And there were 39 games where that happened, all losses: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2000&year_max=2017&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&game_result=L&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=lte&c1val=30&c2stat=rush_yds_opp&c2comp=gte&c2val=200&c5val=1.0&order_by=game_date So I stand by what I said. No QB in the league wins this game. We actually got 45 rushing yards if you dont include Tyrods option play, and the Jets got 194. So I did the search again with those factors. Out of 110 games there were only 2 wins. 108 losses. Nobody wins when your opponent can run all over you, and you cant run on them. Buddy, I am not arguing about TTs career. I'm talking about this game last night. He had absolutely no chance This is inarguable when you look at game history. We couldnt run all day but people want to act like Tyrod is more to blame than the offensive line. Pretty obvious who here has an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Buddy, I am not arguing about TTs career. I'm talking about this game last night. He had absolutely no chance Again that is not true. But to each his own. If he can make the throws that were needed to get the Jets out of the defense they were running then the OL looks better the Running game looks better and the Defense looks better. Look at the missed tackles. The Defense knew they had to create turnovers so alot of those missed tackles where going for the strip We actually got 45 rushing yards if you dont include Tyrods option play, and the Jets got 194. So I did the search again with those factors. Out of 110 games there were only 2 wins. 108 losses. Nobody wins when your opponent can run all over you, and you cant run on them. This is inarguable when you look at game history. We couldnt run all day but people want to act like Tyrod is more to blame than the offensive line. Pretty obvious who here has an agenda. Ahhh and the agenda talk. Yep obviously some have an agenda to want a Better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Ahhh and the agenda talk. Yep obviously some have an agenda to want a Better QB. 2 wins out of 110 games. Tell me again how a better QB would have won this game. Edited November 3, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I'm not even a Tyrod guy and I thought he had a good game considering the line. Hewas connecting on short slants all night which is what we need to do when the running game is getting shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 wins out of 110 games. Tell me again how a better QB would have won this game. It is called looking ar the game as a big picture view. With a Better QB does the game play out like it did? Or did it play out that way because we have a flawed QB? With a better passing QB are there 9-10 in the box and at least 5 coming on every pass rush and a 6th assigned as a spy? Or does the team respect the throwing of a better QB? Does the defense let up 200 yards on the ground if they were not on the field forever and trying with every tackle to cause a fumble to help an offense that cannot move the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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