26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: ? Tyrod gets sacked often, but he has one of the lowest yards lost per sack in the league (3rd this year at 5.67). If you mean total yards lost per game to sacks then he's at 23rd with 17. Notable QBs who are worse here are Stafford, Wilson, Cousins, Palmer, and Rodgers. Top 5 are Carr, Bortles, Rivers, Brees, and Keenum. He's also one of the most pressured QBs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: are you seriously arguing that the bills defense has been good as a whole this year? becuz if you are that tells me all I need to know about you. speaks volumes. nothing left to talk about. oh my god.... you are horrible dude.... freaking horrible. he's won that the last 3 years with defenses that ARENT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT MINNESOTA HAS.... you cant be this simple. i'm done talking with you becuz this is a whole new type of ignorant. First of all, my original position in all of this was that based solely on ability to play the position of QB, Taylor ranks somewhere in the 30-35 range across the league. At some point, #TeamTyrod started to bring in all of this ancillary stuff -- such as various NFL defenses -- to defend their boy, because there is nothing else to rationally argue. And yes, the Bills defense has played some great games this year and has had some very bad moments this year. Front 7 needs some work. But on the whole, at least it's trending in the right direction. Most of all though, it is pretty much irrelevant to the original argument. So, stop deflecting and just admit that Taylor is better suited for a backup QB role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: ? Tyrod gets sacked often, but he has one of the lowest yards lost per sack in the league (3rd this year at 5.67). If you mean total yards lost per game to sacks then he's at 23rd with 17. Notable QBs who are worse here are Stafford, Wilson, Cousins, Palmer, and Rodgers. Top 5 are Carr, Bortles, Rivers, Brees, and Keenum. That's terrible. 1st and ten becoming 2nd and 15.67 is a drive killer in this offense. Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: That's terrible. 1st and ten becoming 2nd and 15.67 is a drive killer in this offense. 1st & 10 becoming 2nd & 10 is also generally a punt waiting to happen for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: That's terrible. 1st and ten becoming 2nd and 15.67 is a drive killer in this offense. So when for the rest of the league minus 2 teams and the Bills, it's 2nd and greater than 5.67. That's even terribler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: So when for the rest of the league minus 2 teams and the Bills, it's 2nd and greater than 5.67. That's even terribler. What's terrible is 23rd in yards lost per game from sacks. Well below average. As for the rest of the league, they have these people called QB's, who throw the ball to people called WR's who run routes that can, sometimes, overcome yardage lost from a sack. Our RB playing QB throws a 3 yard pass to Shady and prays he makes 3 guys miss. See the difference? Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: What's terrible is 23rd in yards lost per game from sacks. Well below average. The average is 15.28, with the best being Carr at 6.36 and the worst being Gabbert at 28.40. 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: As for the rest of the league, they have these people called QB's, who throw the ball to people called WR's who run routes that can, sometimes, overcome yardage lost from a sack. Our RB playing QB throws a 3 yard pass to Shady and prays he makes 3 guys miss. See the difference? I might if your BS scenario at the end had any merit. There are plenty of advanced stats showing average depth of target out there. You might want to reference them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The average is 15.28, with the best being Carr at 6.36 and the worst being Gabbert at 28.40. I might if your BS scenario at the end had any merit. There are plenty of advanced stats showing average depth of target out there. You might want to reference them. Are there stats out there that show who our most targeted player is? Is it a WR? A TE? No. It's Shady. Leads the team in targets, and has the lower YPR on the team on players with >20 targets. Does that get us to 3rd and manageable when we start out 2nd and 15? No. It does not. Math is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: What's terrible is 23rd in yards lost per game from sacks. Well below average. As for the rest of the league, they have these people called QB's, who throw the ball to people called WR's who run routes that can, sometimes, overcome yardage lost from a sack. Our RB playing QB throws a 3 yard pass to Shady and prays he makes 3 guys miss. See the difference? Be careful what you ask for ... I'm 100% for getting a BETTER QB, not another QB. So if we can bring in someone better, bring him in. I do not have much patience though for baby sitting a snot nosed rookie QB when our team is this close to being a playoff team if not an out and out playoff team pending Sunday's results. Edited December 28, 2017 by reddogblitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: Are there stats out there that show who our most targeted player is? Is it a WR? A TE? No. It's Shady. Leads the team in targets, and has the lower YPR on the team on players with >20 targets. Does that get us to 3rd and manageable when we start out 2nd and 15? No. It does not. Math is fun. Teams generally target their best player, no? If our best WR throughout the season has been the 3rd or 4th best weapon on the field it's a roster problem. Remember last offseason when everyone complained that Tyrod only threw to WRs and didn't know how to utilize a TE? Ah how times change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Teams generally target their best player, no? If our best WR throughout the season has been the 3rd or 4th best weapon on the field it's a roster problem. Remember last offseason when everyone complained that Tyrod only threw to WRs and didn't know how to utilize a TE? Ah how times change... He doesn't. But Clay was still our #1 target last year. How times change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Teams generally target their best player, no? If our best WR throughout the season has been the 3rd or 4th best weapon on the field it's a roster problem. Remember last offseason when everyone complained that Tyrod only threw to WRs and didn't know how to utilize a TE? Ah how times change... This season the narrative is that he's the new Trent Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Be careful what you ask for ... Can we get worse than 32nd pass offense in a league of 32? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's also one of the most pressured QBs in the league. Of course QBs who hold the ball longer are more often pressured. Tyrod is a good 2nd half QB and I don't mean the 3rd and 4th quarter. He's a good 2nd half of passing play QB. He seems much more comfortable holding the ball through the designed portion of the pass play (making initial read or two and then throwing the ball) in order to get to the extended part of the play. That's the part where he rolls, scrambles and looks for the nearest open guy and throws it to him. He's playing a 7 on 7 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: He doesn't. But Clay was still our #1 target last year. How times change... You should take a look at the Rams offense, which has been spectacular this year. Gurley is 2nd in Targets, Receptions, Receiving Yards, and Receiving TDs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Of course QBs who hold the ball longer are more often pressured. Tyrod is a good 2nd half QB and I don't mean the 3rd and 4th quarter. He's a good 2nd half of passing play QB. He seems much more comfortable holding the ball through the designed portion of the pass play (making initial read or two and then throwing the ball) in order to get to the extended part of the play. That's the part where he rolls, scrambles and looks for the nearest open guy and throws it to him. He's playing a 7 on 7 game. Factually incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: You should take a look at the Rams offense, which has been spectacular this year. Gurley is 2nd in Targets, Receptions, Receiving Yards, and Receiving TDs. Second is the new first, apparently. I'm glad you brought up a team helmed by a competent QB, thought. Gurley is averaging almost a full 5 more yards per catch than Shady. I wonder why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Second is the new first, apparently. I'm glad you brought up a team helmed by a competent QB, thought. Gurley is averaging almost a full 5 more yards per catch than Shady. I wonder why that is? Considering he has more targets and catches than McCoy he'd lead our team, no? And what competent QB would throw to their RB that much instead of Woods and Sammy? Edited December 28, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: 3 points bud Zay dropped a pass that very well could have been the game winner Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Oh...now I see where the OP's love for Tyrod came from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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