3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, /dev/null said: That's also called a National Sales Tax or Value Added Tax. The VAT is not a new idea as it has been discussed in the past by libertarians and conservatives but liberal and progressives have shouted it down as regressive If Progressives want to adopt the idea as one of their own so be it. I would not be opposed to a VAT as a replacement to the income tax. NO, NO, NO. No value added tax. That means the item is taxed at every stage where the taxes can be hidden. The Fair Tax is the way to go. One tax when the end user purchases the item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Nothing of tangible use will be accomplished here at all, you are all wasting your time in conjecture. I work enough in building up and vivisecting these arguments and reports and it goes nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 52 minutes ago, row_33 said: Nothing of tangible use will be accomplished here at all, you are all wasting your time in conjecture. I work enough in building up and vivisecting these arguments and reports and it goes nowhere. Someday we will make a difference. Hang in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 It takes a lot of nerve for a former deficit hawk to brush away the massive build-up of debt. “House Speaker Paul Ryan has spent much of his political career warning against the pitfalls of deficit spending and government debt. But that argument has been bent in service to another long-held priority, one that has political urgency for Republicans trying to hang on to their congressional majorities: tax cuts. The tax overhaul legislation that Ryan shepherded through the House — the Senate takes up its version this week — would add at least $1 trillion to budget deficits over the next decade, even when accounting for economic growth, according to independent tax analysts.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 The Latest Tax Cut Lie: The Senate Bill Will Hurt The Poor Original Article Senate Republicans on track for tax reform vote by Bob Fredericks Original Article TAX CUT FATE IN HANDS OF EIGHT . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/17/2017 at 10:31 AM, row_33 said: and the working class deeply resents the free ride often doing better than they do financially A lady with a SNAP card ordering a sub at my local corner shop, while I go home to eat leftovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: A lady with a SNAP card ordering a sub at my local corner shop, while I go home to eat leftovers. If she has a SNAP card, she probably doesn't have any leftovers at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: If she has a SNAP card, she probably doesn't have any leftovers at home. EBT, SnAP , not sure.She could have spent that money on a loaf of bread, some mayo and ham, and had 4 or 5 meals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, Gary M said: EBT, SnAP , not sure.She could have spent that money on a loaf of bread, some mayo and ham, and had 4 or 5 meals. That is true...but poor people are not known for making wise purchasing decisions, which is why they're poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Gary M said: A lady with a SNAP card ordering a sub at my local corner shop, while I go home to eat leftovers. Quick! Give a tax cut to the super wealthy and run up massive deficits! That will teach her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: That is true...but poor people are not known for making wise purchasing decisions, which is why they're poor. Which is why the government should stop giving them other peoples money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 32 minutes ago, Gary M said: Which is why the government should stop giving them other peoples money. Yup, so the plan is to manipulate people like you into buying into this cut because it will hurt the poor, something you obviously enjoy. Then when the GOP is back to being seriously angry over the budget deficits they created with tax cuts, they can come after middle class programs. Rinse and repeat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 OOPS: Kamala Harris accidentally proves why Americans SHOULD support GOP Tax Bill Democrats are working overtime to scare the crap out of Americans about the GOP Tax Bill because it would indeed cut taxes for the middle class. And you know they’re totally FREAKED OUT about the idea of people keeping more of what they earn because to a Democrat the government knows best how to spend our money. So it comes as no surprise that Kamala Harris is front and center with her fearmongering … there’s just one problem: Quote ✔@SenKamalaHarris By 2019, Americans earning less than $30,000 a year will be worse off under the Senate GOP tax bill… but corporations will still have big, permanent tax cuts. 5:52 PM - Nov 27, 2017 Americans who earn less than $30,000 a year are likely receiving government benefits, which means people in the middle class (and those evil rich guys) are paying for a good deal of their everyday needs. The progressive tax system is killing the middle class because the rich can figure out loopholes and the poor pay nothing anyway … Kamala just proved that this bill would help the middle class. Oh, not to mention when there are permanent tax cuts for corporations they can HIRE MORE PEOPLE, so those making less than $30,000 a year will have more opportunity to find better jobs and make more. Thanks, Kamala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: OOPS: Kamala Harris accidentally proves why Americans SHOULD support GOP Tax Bill Democrats are working overtime to scare the crap out of Americans about the GOP Tax Bill because it would indeed cut taxes for the middle class. And you know they’re totally FREAKED OUT about the idea of people keeping more of what they earn because to a Democrat the government knows best how to spend our money. So it comes as no surprise that Kamala Harris is front and center with her fearmongering … there’s just one problem: Americans who earn less than $30,000 a year are likely receiving government benefits, which means people in the middle class (and those evil rich guys) are paying for a good deal of their everyday needs. The progressive tax system is killing the middle class because the rich can figure out loopholes and the poor pay nothing anyway … Kamala just proved that this bill would help the middle class. Oh, not to mention when there are permanent tax cuts for corporations they can HIRE MORE PEOPLE, so those making less than $30,000 a year will have more opportunity to find better jobs and make more. Thanks, Kamala. You forget that Democrats think $30k/year is middle class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Vox’s ‘SCORCHING HOT take’ on Senate GOP tax bill will have you reaching for the booze https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/11/28/voxs-scorching-hot-take-on-senate-gop-tax-bill-will-have-you-reaching-for-the-booze/ Maybe the GOP tax bill is a hot mess, but if this is the best ammo the media have against it, Republicans don’t have too much to worry about: Quote The Senate tax bill would cause *3,100* more alcohol-related deaths over the next two years: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-pol/16600770/alcohol-tax-increase … More from Vox: The alcohol industry has been lobbying for such cuts for years. It’s finally getting what it wanted: The Senate proposal would cut federal alcohol excise taxes by 16 percent by effectively reducing taxes across the board for beer, wine, and liquor over the next two years, according to a new analysis by Adam Looney at Brookings. … But economists and public health experts argue this would amount to a public health disaster; alcohol is if anything underpriced, they argue, given the external costs that it already carries. Old and busted: Republicans want to push grandma off a cliff. New hotness: Republicans want Americans to drink themselves to death. Reducing a tax kills people.....Very "Sciencey" It all comes down to the leftist mindset that the average American can't think for themselves. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gary M Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 20 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yup, so the plan is to manipulate people like you into buying into this cut because it will hurt the poor, something you obviously enjoy. Then when the GOP is back to being seriously angry over the budget deficits they created with tax cuts, they can come after middle class programs. Rinse and repeat The plan doesn't hurt the poor, bad decisions do. American poor live a pretty good life, cell phones flat screens and internet. It's good they have all these things as it keeps them busy while they sit home doing nothing. Yes I want them to be a little uncomfortable, so they have some motivation to go find a better life with some personal responsibility. As I drove to work Monday morning I see the remnants of black Friday sales. All the flat screen TV boxes in front houses I know are welfare houses. Tell me again how this plan is going to hurt the poor. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#67ec464e54ef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 54 minutes ago, Gary M said: The plan doesn't hurt the poor, bad decisions do. American poor live a pretty good life, cell phones flat screens and internet. It's good they have all these things as it keeps them busy while they sit home doing nothing. Yes I want them to be a little uncomfortable, so they have some motivation to go find a better life with some personal responsibility. As I drove to work Monday morning I see the remnants of black Friday sales. All the flat screen TV boxes in front houses I know are welfare houses. Tell me again how this plan is going to hurt the poor. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#67ec464e54ef No, the bill hurts America and the middle class. The people pushing the bill make it seem like it will hurt the poor to get support for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, the bill hurts America and the middle class. The people pushing the bill make it seem like it will hurt the poor to get support for it Do you ever wonder what it would be like to have a functional IQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you ever wonder what it would be like to have a functional IQ? Lol, I'd be super rich instead of just heading towards being very well off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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