Bills trade Sammy Watkins to Rams for CB Gaines, 2nd rd pick

[Bill_with_it]

He never said that. He said he wanted the ball, as they weren't throwing it to him hardly at all. Practically all WRs say this stuff at some point. It's their nature. He backed it up when they did, end of story. Any WR wants the ball and if one says he doesn't we don't need him

These are Watkins words:

"That's what I get mad at: when I don't get looked at. I can look at film, and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all. That's when I get frustrated. When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me."

Please read the bold numerous times. Because that's exactly what i said he said.

[Boatdrinks]

These are Watkins words:

"That's what I get mad at: when I don't get looked at. I can look at film, and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all. That's when I get frustrated. When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me."

Please read the bold numerous times. Because that's exactly what i said he said.

It's just a guy saying he's so confident in his abilities he wants the ball every time. Exactly what you want in a WR. It's never literally going to happen, nobody gets every ball. But they better WANT it. Thats how these guys motivate themselves at this level of competition. They believe they are the best. He's saying a QB should go to him if he sees him with one on one coverage. Not seeing anything bad here Edited August 12, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[Maury Ballstein]

Hes not always open. Dont start with that crap.

Yea okay, He's been hampered by halfrod for too long.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wzrwEpKYHWk

[Kirby Jackson]

Cool story thats not what we were talking about. We were talking about a whiner in an interview stating he wants the ball everytime regardless of another player being open. Thats not 9-12 times a game thats every pass.

Im not revising any history. I didnt say he didnt put up numbers quite the contrary. Yet even putting up great numbers for the last 9 games of the year didnt cause the Bills as a team to perform even marfinally better with regard to the w/l column.

All great receivers want the ball. Good teams throw it there 9-12 times a game. They don't worry about Salas' feelings. If you think that he was adequately targeted I don't know what to tell you. You weren't watching or you don't know how often others are targeted. Edited August 12, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Bill_with_it]

All great receivers want the ball. Good teams throw it there 9-12 times a game. They don't worry about Salas' feelings. If you think that he was adequately targeted I don't know what to tell you. You weren't watching.

I never said any of that. Stop putting words in my mouth. I stated that a) its ridiculous to forego a easy completion to another wr thats open if Watkins is covered, b) giving the ball every play to Watkins is ridiculous, d) having the qb to disregard the progressions and reads /hc and oc play calls in order to accommodate a wrs request is stupid, and whining about it in the media is childish. Literally i had a problem with the paragraph i posted that sammy stated. Not the strawman you propped up there.

P.s. What of Sammys accomplishments make him great in the NFL?

Edited August 12, 2017 by Bill_with_it

[Boatdrinks]

I never said any of that. Stop putting words in my mouth. I stated that a) its ridiculous to forego a easy completion to another wr thats open if Watkins is covered, b) giving the ball every play to Watkins is ridiculous, d) having the qb to disregard the progressions and reads /hc and oc play calls in order to accommodate a wrs request is stupid, and whining about it in the media is childish. Literally i had a problem with the paragraph i posted that sammy stated. Not the strawman you propped up there.

P.s. What of Sammys accomplishments make him great in the NFL?

You mad a big mistake . Taking a mild rant by a player literally. No NFL player gets the ball every time. Wanting it every time is something different . I don't want guys who don't want the ball. If you think one one one coverage on a top WR is " covered" in the NFL you will lose a LOT of games.

[Bill_with_it]

You mad a big mistake . Taking a mild rant by a player literally. No NFL player gets the ball every time. Wanting it every time is something different . I don't want guys who don't want the ball. If you think one one one coverage on a top WR is " covered" in the NFL you will lose a LOT of games.

Man you are terrible. Stop pitting words in my mouth and read. I stated forgoing a open offensive player to throw the ball to a covered Watkins is crazy. Similarly bypassing the oc/hc/read/progressions to cater to a wr whole simultaneously not running your planned offense is crazy. Read what I write and not what fits your narrative.

[Kirby Jackson]

I never said any of that. Stop putting words in my mouth. I stated that a) its ridiculous to forego a easy completion to another wr thats open if Watkins is covered, b) giving the ball every play to Watkins is ridiculous, d) having the qb to disregard the progressions and reads /hc and oc play calls in order to accommodate a wrs request is stupid, and whining about it in the media is childish. Literally i had a problem with the paragraph i posted that sammy stated. Not the strawman you propped up there.

P.s. What of Sammys accomplishments make him great in the NFL?

A) he was always open b) that's exactly what the good teams do to their good receivers. That's why they lead the league in targets!!! You didn't notice that OBj, Mike Evans, and Antonio Brown were the 3 most targeted receivers?!? They weren't worried about Sammie Coates' feelings

[Bill_with_it]

A) he was always open b) that's exactly what the good teams do to their good receivers. That's why they lead the league in targets!!! You didn't notice that OBj, Mike Evans, and Antonio Brown were the 3 most targeted receivers?!? They weren't worried about Sammie Coates' feelings

A) he most certainly wasnt open all the time. B) Antonio brown/obj/evans/bryant arent getting every ball thrown their way regardless of their teamates being open, c) Their teams arent bypassing play calls to cater to those wrs to het the ball to them every play. You done with the strawmans? Ill knocking them down.

[Boatdrinks]

Man you are terrible. Stop pitting words in my mouth and read. I stated forgoing a open offensive player to throw the ball to a covered Watkins is crazy. Similarly bypassing the oc/hc/read/progressions to cater to a wr whole simultaneously not running your planned offense is crazy. Read what I write and not what fits your narrative.

And you somehow interpreted Watkins words to mean throw him the ball when he's covered and another guy is open. And somehow to bypass all progressions to cater to him and not run their planned offense? Talk about putting words in ones mouth. It's NFL football! If you think that great QBs don't see single coverage at the line and just know they are going to be tossing up a juicy TD instead of the 5 yard underneath route in the design of the play then again I'm not sure what you are watching! That's how things happen in the NFL. Don't worry, the coach / OC will love it when the 6 goes on the board. Translation: yes throw the ball to your best WR one on one vs an underneath route. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards " you play to WIN THE GAME" ! you don't worry if the #3 is getting the ball enough .

[Augie]

A) he most certainly wasnt open all the time. B) Antonio brown/obj/evans/bryant arent getting every ball thrown their way regardless of their teamates being open, c) Their teams arent bypassing play calls to cater to those wrs to het the ball to them every play. You done with the strawmans? Ill knocking them down.

Wait, are you serious? The point is simple: more targets for your best player. Not EVERY target. But MORE targets. Why try to argue and confuse something so simple?

[Bill_with_it]

And you somehow interpreted Watkins words to mean throw him the ball when he's covered and another guy is open. And somehow to bypass all progressions to cater to him and not run their planned offense? Talk about putting words in ones mouth. It's NFL football! If you think that great QBs don't see single coverage at the line and just know they are going to be tossing up a juicy TD instead of the 5 yard underneath route in the design of the play then again I'm not sure what you are watching! That's how things happen in the NFL. Don't worry, the coach / OC will love it when the 6 goes on the board. Translation: yes throw the ball to your best WR one on one vs an underneath route. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards " you play to WIN THE GAME" ! you don't worry if the #3 is getting the ball enough .

Ok ill break each sentence that Sammy stated down:

I can look at film, and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all.

Those words are indicatjve that he is perturbed that he wasnt tge read. I.e the call that tge coach called.

When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there.

Once again he stating that he doesnt care what was called go to him even if hes covered.

 

I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me."

Now if you cant or willfully decide to bypass those other statements this is pretty clear. There is no grey area. He doesnt care if other players are open just target him. Im done with your trolling.

[Boatdrinks]

Wait, are you serious? The point is simple: more targets for your best player. Not EVERY target. But MORE targets. Why try to argue and confuse something so simple?

Amazing the lengths some will go to convince themselves that incompetent from office is good / player bad

[NoSaint]

Wait, are you serious? The point is simple: more targets for your best player. Not EVERY target. But MORE targets. Why try to argue and confuse something so simple?

Dude has been erratic the whole way through, there's a reason I ducked out from the debate with him and focused on others

[Boatdrinks]

Ok ill break each sentence that Sammy stated down:

I can look at film, and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all.

Those words are indicatjve that he is perturbed that he wasnt tge read. I.e the call that tge coach called.

When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there.

Once again he stating that he doesnt care what was called go to him even if hes covered.

 

I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me."

Now if you cant or willfully decide to bypass those other statements this is pretty clear. There is no grey area. He doesnt care if other players are open just target him. Im done with your trolling.

It's not trolling! A QB that looks only at one WR straight off the snap sucks and is actually doing what you say is bad : NOT going through his progression. One on one coverage on a QBs top WR should take the QB there most of the time. It's called " taking what the defense gives you" . often followed by the announcer saying " now that's just too easy" . No need to break it down it's obvious what was meant by that statement . It's what good teams and players do.

[3rdand12]

That's, actually, not very good. Even an optimistic take is We have a bunch of 2-4 WRs in that list. Only way you get away with that is elite qb play. Couple that with a question mark at TE with nothing behind him...

 

I think the list of teams with worse pass catchers would be short right now and as you mention- no speed to respect.

Shorts and Brown perhaps.

O Leary is solid and Logan Thomas might well find his way onto the 53

 

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i forgot to highlight this feature.

 

oops

Edited August 12, 2017 by 3rdand12

[Augie]

Dude has been erratic the whole way through, there's a reason I ducked out from the debate with him and focused on others

He must like attention. Bless his little heart.....

[NoSaint]

It's not trolling! A QB that looks only at one WR straight off the snap sucks and is actually doing what you say is bad : NOT going through his progression. One on one coverage on a QBs top WR should take the QB there most of the time. It's called " taking what the defense gives you" . often followed by the announcer saying " now that's just too easy" . No need to break it down it's obvious what was meant by that statement . It's what good teams and players do.

Right- short of catching the DB tying his shoes at the line instead of covering WR2, if Sammy is single Sammy should be first read and a hard read to pass up for most offenses.

Shorts and Brown perhaps.

O Leary is solid and Logan Thomas might well find his way onto the 53

I'd love to see Thomas step up- but if simply penciling in what you can count on, we have to be ranked pretty low at this point. A few wild cards in there though that could hopefully make me look silly later.

[Kirby Jackson]

A) he most certainly wasnt open all the time. B) Antonio brown/obj/evans/bryant arent getting every ball thrown their way regardless of their teamates being open, c) Their teams arent bypassing play calls to cater to those wrs to het the ball to them every play. You done with the strawmans? Ill knocking them down.

OMg, this is quite possibly the strangest conversation that I've ever gotten into here. You are the first person that I've heard of satisfied with his targets. If you agree that he wasn't targeted enough than he was right when he spoke up. He needed the ball more. Just for fun here you go:

 

Watkins has been targeted 7.46 times per game in his career. He averages 8.91 yards per target.

 

Mike Evans was targeted 10.81 times per game last year. He averaged 7.64 yards per target.

 

If Watkins received the same amount of targets as Evans he'd would have averaged an additional 29.8 yards per game or another 478 yards per season. At the same 173 targets Watkins season numbers (based on career averages) would be 1,541 yards. Don't throw him the ball more though...

[NoSaint]

OMg, this is quite possibly the strangest conversation that I've ever gotten into here. You are the first person that I've heard of satisfied with his targets. If you agree that he wasn't targeted enough than he was right when he spoke up. He needed the ball more. Just for fun here you go:

 

Watkins has been targeted 7.46 times per game in his career. He averages 8.91 yards per target.

 

Mike Evans was targeted 10.81 times per game last year. He averaged 7.64 yards per target.

 

If Watkins received the same amount of targets as Evans he'd would have averaged an additional 29.8 yards per game or another 478 yards per season. At the same 173 targets Watkins season numbers (based on career averages) would be 1,541 yards. Don't throw him the ball more though...

It's the same guy you earlier had to argue with that you can pay star players. Dude emotionally hates Sammy on the bills and has the heels dug in. Some of his arguments fair, some completely outlandish though and because of his emotional stance he doesn't much care about the difference