Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The live reactions to the sentencing are HILARIOUS Here it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 "No collusion" is "simply a non-sequitur," judge says Judge Amy Berman Jackson is now calling out the defense's memo, which stated that the special counsel was never able to charge Russian collusion (this was their approach to the sentencing memo). "It's hard to understand why an attorney would write that," she said about Manafort's defense team's approach. "No collusion" is "simply a non-sequitur." The judge said Manafort's argument about the Russia investigation won't affect her sentence. "The defendant's insistence" that this shouldn't have happened to him "is just one more thing that's inconsistent with the notion of any genuine acceptance of responsibility," Jackson said. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing-dc/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 So Manafort gets 90 months total. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So Manafort gets 90 months total. Were the other 60 months consecutive or concurrent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The big revelation today is about Kilimnik. Who... it turns out... was working with the US State Department for years. Which, of course, those paying attention to the threads over the last year+ have known for awhile. Just now, Koko78 said: Were the other 60 months consecutive or concurrent? 30 were concurrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm going to retire in 7.5 years! So we will both be working off time together, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Gees, none of this is even close to being over. This thread will last years and years! Quote A court filing in the criminal case against Michael Flynn’s former business partner, Bijan Rafiekian, suggests Flynn was questioned about several federal investigations that could be coming to a head in the coming weeks. The Justice Department attorneys cited these ongoing probes as they asked a federal judge to delay an upcoming deadline to give Flynn’s lawyers the FBI reports, known as 302s, that detail their client’s interviews with investigators. “The 302s of General Flynn’s interviews relating entirely to matters other than the pending charges against the defendant contain information concerning a number of sensitive matters, including ongoing investigations,” prosecutors wrote in a Tuesday filing to the Alexandria, Va., federal court. They added that they were trying to “coordinate” a solution with DOJ “that could moot much of the defendant’s request. However, this coordination requires time because of the various interests involved.” https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/13/michael-flynn-ongoing-investigation-mueller-1219353 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 So people are clear... the precedent for FARA violations in the Ukraine (and elsewhere) is now set at 7.5 years. Now - where are the people connected to Manafort these days? The Mercury Group. The Podesta Group? Tick tock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So people are clear... the precedent for FARA violations in the Ukraine (and elsewhere) is now set at 7.5 years. Now - where are the people connected to Manafort these days? The Mercury Group. The Podesta Group? Tick tock. Just to be clear on the legal point: There is no such thing as precedent when it comes to sentencing. Every case is unique. To hold otherwise would be a huge Constitutional violation. Edited March 13, 2019 by Koko78 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Just to be clear on the legal point: There is no such thing as precedent when it comes to sentencing. Every case is unique. To hold otherwise would be a huge Constitutional violation. I misspoke on sentencing. I meant there is now precedent for successfully prosecuting FARA cases which, up until now, there had not been much of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Just to be clear on the legal point: There is no such thing as precedent when it comes to sentencing. Every case is unique. To hold otherwise would be a huge Constitutional violation. That generally has not been the drift when i was at the table with defense counsel and my client discussing possible outcomes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: That generally has not been the drift when i was at the table with defense counsel and my client discussing possible outcomes.... Find me a judge that will state on the record that 'because someone else got x years, I'm giving that to you as well.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 BOOM!! Breaking: Paul Manafort has been charged in a 16-count indictment in New York state, the first charges that are outside President Trump’s pardon power. A grand jury returned the indictment charging Trump’s former campaign chairman with mortgage fraud, falsifying business records and conspiracy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-faces-sentencing-in-washington-in-mueller-special-counsel-case/2019/03/12/d4d55dd4-44d0-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.7a227bb15c31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: BOOM!! Breaking: Paul Manafort has been charged in a 16-count indictment in New York state, the first charges that are outside President Trump’s pardon power. A grand jury returned the indictment charging Trump’s former campaign chairman with mortgage fraud, falsifying business records and conspiracy. NOT SHOWN: the words "conspiracy," "collusion," or "Russia." You ***** asshat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: NOT SHOWN: the words "conspiracy," "collusion," or "Russia." You ***** asshat. And why is that? Is it because he won't talk and is expecting a pardon? You are a little spinner Was this your favorite toy as a teenager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bdutton Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, DC Tom said: NOT SHOWN: the words "conspiracy," "collusion," or "Russia." You ***** asshat. AKA... Now we've got Trump right where he wants us! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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