JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Interesting way of looking at things. Seems as if Buffalo made out pretty well in that department. Also found this group interesting: PITT 25,334,805 11 2,303,164ATL 25,500,000 11 2,318,182NYG 25,588,400 11 2,326,218 All similar and playoff teams, 2 in conference championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 love y'all but this is bad analysis. doesn't show anything. this could just as easily be interpreted: "how good is the supporting cast / defense / coaching staff / gm ?" the magnitude of ^that effect is likely 10x that of the valuation ($/win) of the qb contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Is this cap hit I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Team Cost Wins Total Den 2,261,158 9 251,240 Oak 4,623,009 12 385,251 Tenn 7,534,058 9 837,118 TB 8,192,029 9 910,225 NE 15,245,534 14 1,088,967 Mia 13,174,117 10 1,317,412 Phi 9,850,243 7 1,407,178 Buff 10,292,562 7 1,470,366 Minn 12,583,908 8 1,572,989 Hous 14,412,646 9 1,601,405 KC 20,170,000 12 1,680,833 Dal 24,140,848 13 1,856,988 Sea 18,997,000 10 1,899,700 GB 19,910,318 10 1,991,032 NYJ 10,107,897 5 2,021,579 PITT 25,334,805 11 2,303,164 ATL 25,500,000 11 2,318,182 NYG 25,588,400 11 2,326,218 LAR 9,453,311 4 2,363,328 Cin 14,195,413 6 2,365,902 Indy 19,900,000 8 2,487,500 Det 23,338,820 9 2,593,202 NO 18,500,000 7 2,642,857 Wash 22,237,333 8 2,779,667 Ariz 20,967,646 7 2,995,378 Balt 24,050,000 8 3,006,250 SD 17,180,000 5 3,436,000 Jax 10,864,198 3 3,621,399 Car 22,310,000 6 3,718,333 Chi 20,140,352 3 6,713,451 SF 20,228,753 2 10,114,377 Cle 11,022,378 1 11,022,378 Wow! Just think how much it would cost Cleveland to win 10 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 love y'all but this is bad analysis. doesn't show anything. this could just as easily be interpreted: "how good is the supporting cast / defense / coaching staff / gm ?" the magnitude of ^that effect is likely 10x that of the valuation ($/win) of the qb contracts. It's another way of looking at things, nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 love y'all but this is bad analysis. doesn't show anything. this could just as easily be interpreted: "how good is the supporting cast / defense / coaching staff / gm ?" the magnitude of ^that effect is likely 10x that of the valuation ($/win) of the qb contracts. The only purpose of this exercise was to see how much money a team is paying QBs for each win. It has nothing to do with any other position, on or off the field. Just QBs, wins and money. This came up in another thread. The question posed was how much did each win cost in QB salary. I didn't quite follow it but I took the positional group as a whole and divided it by wins. Here are the results: Team Cost Wins Total Den 2,261,158 9 251,240 Oak 4,623,009 12 385,251 Tenn 7,534,058 9 837,118 TB 8,192,029 9 910,225 NE 15,245,534 14 1,088,967 Mia 13,174,117 10 1,317,412 Phi 9,850,243 7 1,407,178 Buff 10,292,562 7 1,470,366 Minn 12,583,908 8 1,572,989 Hous 14,412,646 9 1,601,405 KC 20,170,000 12 1,680,833 Dallas 24,140,848 13 1,856,988 Seattle 18,997,000 10 1,899,700 GB 19,910,318 10 1,991,032 NYJ 10,107,897 5 2,021,579 PITT 25,334,805 11 2,303,164 ATL 25,500,000 11 2,318,182 NYG 25,588,400 11 2,326,218 LAR 9,453,311 4 2,363,328 Cin 14,195,413 6 2,365,902 Indy 19,900,000 8 2,487,500 Det 23,338,820 9 2,593,202 NO 18,500,000 7 2,642,857 Wash 22,237,333 8 2,779,667 Ariz 20,967,646 7 2,995,378 Balt 24,050,000 8 3,006,250 SD 17,180,000 5 3,436,000 Jax 10,864,198 3 3,621,399 Car 22,310,000 6 3,718,333 Chi 20,140,352 3 6,713,451 SF 20,228,753 2 10,114,377 Cle 11,022,378 1 11,022,378 522306736 254 2,056,326 Some interesting things: bottom 3 teams per win are the top 3 teams picking. Part of that is because of the small number fo wins but in the case of Chicago and SF they have quite a bit of money tied up in subpar qbs. The average is just over 2 million per win. Only 4 of the playoff teams went over the average. The other 8 were under. The best win:cost ratio were for 4 teams that have rookie qb contracts. NE being 5th is just criminal. IMO part of what makes Brady so good is his willingness to take less money than his competitors to help have a better team around him. Flacco got paid and his team is now terrible because of it. If Buffalo extends Tyrod and has his cap hit of 17 million while winning 17 games they would be at the 10th highest cost per win. If they were to improve to 9 wins they would drop all the way to 19th. Thanks for doing this. Fun and interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 Is this cap hit I assume? Yeah I went to spotrac and sorted by positional spending, qb, and then full roster cap The only purpose of this exercise was to see how much money a team is paying QBs for each win. It has nothing to do with any other position, on or off the field. Just QBs, wins and money. Thanks for doing this. Fun and interesting! No problem! I love pulling numbers like this. Some interesting numbers gleaned from this. Looking at this it does seem that teams have a window at the start of a rookie qb, if they are as good as advertised, to build up a team around him. I believe it was Nix's idea he just never found his QB. Another thought: overpaying for average to below average qb play has hampered several teams on this list. This exercise really brought me around on the line of thinking for people that want to move on from TT. If they think this is all he will be I get it. I don't share the opinion that he is done growing but I at least can see where they are coming from. I still want him kept but it gave me a better understanding of their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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