FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) Inb4 the run defense sucked!11111!!!!!!11111!!!!1eleven!!!!1111 I don't think bringing Pettine back would be the craziest idea ever. To clear up some misconceptions about the 2013 defense, let's look at the whole picture of their stats. The numbers: 20th in points 10th in yards 6th in takeaways 12th in FD's 4th in passing yards 20th in passing TD's 3rd in NY/A 28th in rushing yards 8th in rushing TD's 23rd in YPC 9th in TO forced per drive 7th in drive time allowed 5th in plays allowed per drive 2nd in yards per drive, 12th in points per drive Those numbers with the exception of the rushing totals and YPC are pretty good. With Pettine, it seemed we had the attacking defense we were promised these last 2 seasons, defenses that got the ball back and got off the field. Below average point totals with above average drive numbers point to a defense who did very well on a drive to drive basis, but got hung out to dry just a bit too often. Are they as good as Schwartz's numbers? No, admittedly, they are not. But with the presumptive replacement of Shaq for Mario, I don't foresee a front 4 as disruptive in 2017 as 2014 in the event of a switch to a blander 4-3, Mario's recent decline notwithstanding. Here are a few more arguments for Pettine. -Less scheme overhaul. While the 2016 Rex D and 2013 Pettine D surely had differences, I'd have to imagine that Pettine, being from Rex's coaching tree, shares some of the same terminology, concepts and plays. Not only would this prove valuable to the 2013 vets, but the guys who have been here the last 2 years don't have to empty their noggins. Shaq, Ragland, Preston, etc don't have to learn a wildly different system. Even malcontents like Dareus can remember some of the crayon from 2013, hopefully. I believe Pettine also simplified a bunch of stuff. -History of success. While the defense wasn't elite or even great by any means in 2013, only good, lots of our players had great years. Hughes burst on the scene with 10 sacks. Dareus and Kyle were very effective. Robey looked to be a true gem as an UDFA, etc. This helps the locker room buy in a little more. -Improved run defense due to overhauled LB group. The 2013 run defense was bad. But who were our ILB's/MLB's? We had Kiko and Bradham. Kiko consistently was swallowed up by blocks and Bradham had his own share of struggles. With the new group of Preston Brown and Zach Brown, I think the run D would be vastly improved. -Just more talent in general. Darby is better than 2013 Leo. LorAx, if he's still here, is better than Manny/Moats. We would just need to fill a hole at S and we'd be going. Overall, if the plan at OBD is to get this defense cooking and rely on it in 2017, getting a defense that lots of our players have at least seen, and one that won't require much turnover makes quite a bit of sense, IMO. Edited December 30, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think he is very overrated on this board. Seemed like blitzing the QB was his only goal...he neglected the run defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think he is very overrated on this board. Seemed like blitzing the QB was his only goal...he neglected the run defense It's a passing league. He neglected the run a little bit, sure. But I think his personnel dictated that to a large degree. Yes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think he is very overrated on this board. Seemed like blitzing the QB was his only goal...he neglected the run defense FireChan is right about a lot of that being hung on pathetic LBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Horrible idea. Substantial retort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 It's a passing league. He neglected the run a little bit, sure. But I think his personnel dictated that to a large degree. Why? Because we can't stop the run, and neither could he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Because we can't stop the run, and neither could he. I'm not sure anyone could stop the run with that sorry group of LB's. I think Kirk Morrison was out there at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 You know, that isn't a half bad idea if we can't get Coughlin!!! I never thought about that. He got fired unfairly with the Browns and look at what Hue Jackson did... JACK SQUAT. Pettine. Nice thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) It's the Buffalo fans battle cry. Bring back a retread coach/player that has already been fired, quit, traded or retired from here. Edited December 30, 2016 by old school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I'm not sure anyone could stop the run with that sorry group of LB's. I think Kirk Morrison was out there at one point. Kiko "over pursue" Alonso and Nigel "missed tackle" Bradham. LOL. Maybe Ragland can help, that and get Preston "the slow chaser " Brown out . Seriously, I think it was more related to the scheme. He took alot of chances with over aggressive run blitzing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 It's the Buffalo fans war cry. Bring back a retread coach/player that has already been fired, quit, traded or retired from here. Belichick and Carroll were retread coaches.... FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 It's the Buffalo fans war cry. Bring back a retread coach/player that has already been fired, quit, traded or retired from here. None of those things happened. He got hired away to be an HC for the job he did here. There's a semantic argument for "quitting" at best, but no one could say coordinators getting hired away as HC's is a Buffalo thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think he is very overrated on this board. Seemed like blitzing the QB was his only goal...he neglected the run defense This. Live by the blitz, die by the blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Kiko "over pursue" Alonso and Nigel "missed tackle" Bradham. LOL. Maybe Ragland can help, that and get Preston "the slow chaser " Brown out . Seriously, I think it was more related to the scheme. He took alot of chances with over aggressive run blitzing Personally, I think he said we can stop the run or stop the pass with this personnel, but not both. And he schemed/called plays around the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 FireChan is right about a lot of that being hung on pathetic LBs but we had St. Kiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 but we had St. Kiko Who was bad against the run and awesome v the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Did people miss our run defense under him? It was Rex like, probably because it was a very similar defense. His defense specialized in big plays because he blitzed a lot. The reason Schwartz was better was because he let a dominant d line do their job and didn't take so many chances. I get trying to bring Wade back. But Pettine is almost a dime a dozen D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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