Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Pederson is the QB whisperer (supposedly) and Wentz regressed quite a bit as the year went along. I like him as a prospect but would have preferred the trajectory go in the other direction. Reich has always been under an offensive minded HC (at least I think). He is like Dennis Thurman as the DC. It's a title but not the same responsibility. I don't know if he's ever been responsible for the offensive side of the ball? Young QB's, especially rookies are going to be up and down. You can't judge a coach by a rookie starting QB playing well at times early in the season and poorly later in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Young QB's, especially rookies are going to be up and down. You can't judge a coach by a rookie starting QB playing well at times early in the season and poorly later in the season.I think that's fair. I guess that the point was I'm not sure that we should be chalking up Wentz's rookie year as a success for Frank Reich. As teams adjusted to him the Eagles didn't stay ahead of it. Wentz was okay (and I like him as a prospect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yuck, I couldn't have less interest in Reich. He's regressed as a coordinator. I'd probably interview him because people in Buffalo will get that same feeling that the OP got. He shouldn't be seriously considered though as he isn't a good football coach IMO.Yeah, he's dumb, has no experience studying the game, no passion for the game and is not a leader of men. Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yeah, he's dumb, has no experience studying the game, no passion for the game and is not a leader of men. Good call.You quoted me where NONE of that was said. I said that he regressed as a coordinator and has been the OC under offensive head coaches. That negates his experience; it is Dennis Thurman. If you want to respond to what I said we can discuss but don't make stuff up please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big74Mac Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Not sure where you get he regressed as a coordinator from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Forget his offenses. I don't want a glorified coordinator. When Frank Reich says this is the way we are going will people follow him? I am not advocating Reich but that is the only question the Bills should be asking of any candidate this time. Is he a disciplined leader? If not don't even bother with an interview. he apparently kept Kelly somewhat in line during his party-days. I think people would def listen to Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 You quoted me where NONE of that was said. I said that he regressed as a coordinator and has been the OC under offensive head coaches. That negates his experience; it is Dennis Thurman. If you want to respond to what I said we can discuss but don't make stuff up please..."Yuck" and "He's dumb" implies that he can't stand on his own two feet. I happen to think he was always well prepared as a player and helped Phil Rivers play some great football (despite a ****ty defense). Your initial comments are conclusory unless you happen to know, for a fact, that he is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Not sure where you get he regressed as a coordinator from?SD scoring offense fell to 25th his last year there. He doesn't call plays either. He's a coordinator in title (much like Thurman). I'm not sure other than "he was the Bills QB" why he belongs as a candidate? His resume is inferior to the other guys that we are discussing."Yuck" and "He's dumb" implies that he can't stand on his own two feet. I happen to think he was always well prepared as a player and helped Phil Rivers play some great football (despite a ****ty defense). Your initial comments are conclusory unless you happen to know, for a fact, that he is dumb.Will you quote where I said "he's dumb?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 SD scoring offense fell to 25th his last year there. He doesn't call plays either. He's a coordinator in title (much like Thurman). I'm not sure other than "he was the Bills QB" why he belongs as a candidate? His resume is inferior to the other guys that we are discussing. Will you quote where I said "he's dumb?" There is no quote for "he's dumb"...you just said he's not a good coach. I guess we should promote David Lee because he's a brilliant coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 There is no quote for "he's dumb"...you just said he's not a good coach. I guess we should promote David Lee because he's a brilliant coach.He's not a good coach and he's dumb are two different things. Dick Jauron went to Yale. No, I wouldn't hire Lee, he's a bad football coach. I would hire someone that has proven to be a good coach. It's not that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yuck, I couldn't have less interest in Reich. He's regressed as a coordinator. I'd probably interview him because people in Buffalo will get that same feeling that the OP got. He shouldn't be seriously considered though as he isn't a good football coach IMO. Kirby, he's doing wonders with a rookie QB from a FCS school. His offenses in SD regressed due to injuries to Gates, and their star receiver. Also, Melvin Gordon was early in his career. Like earlier poster said he has character, leadership, and smarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Kirby, he's doing wonders with a rookie QB from a FCS school. His offenses in SD regressed due to injuries to Gates, and their star receiver. Also, Melvin Gordon was early in his career. Like earlier poster said he has character, leadership, and smarts.I wouldn't call it wonders. Pederson does the majority of the work and over the last 2.5 months Wentz has gotten figured out a little (and I like him). He wasn't Dak. He had a decent rookie year. There are a lot of guys with character, leadership and smarts that also have a superior resume. The resume is most important to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 He's not a good coach and he's dumb are two different things. Dick Jauron went to Yale. No, I wouldn't hire Lee, he's a bad football coach. I would hire someone that has proven to be a good coach. It's not that complicated. What has Adam Gase done previous to the Dolphins hiring him that made him a good coach? Is Ron Rivera not good anymore because his team went from Super Bowl to lottery? Reich could surround himself with knowledgeable coordinators. I want my HC to be knowledgeable in game time situations, organized, hold players and coaches accountable. Reich seems to be in that mold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 He's not a good coach and he's dumb are two different things. Dick Jauron went to Yale. No, I wouldn't hire Lee, he's a bad football coach. I would hire someone that has proven to be a good coach. It's not that complicated. Bellichick was not a good coach in Cleveland. If anything, given our lack of QB development in 16 years, would it not make sense to have a coach who not only PLAYED in Buffalo but also PLAYED QB?? Maybe that's what Tyrod needs. But nooooo, Reich happens to be a nice guy, well versed in QB play and has experience leading players to success. Whether it's a young QB or others in a wild card game, at least he can organize a team and keep 11 players on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 What has Adam Gase done previous to the Dolphins hiring him that made him a good coach? Is Ron Rivera not good anymore because his team went from Super Bowl to lottery? Reich could surround himself with knowledgeable coordinators. I want my HC to be knowledgeable in game time situations, organized, hold players and coaches accountable. Reich seems to be in that moldAdam Gase was a hot candidate for a while (working with Peyton). He was hired immediately. There are coordinators that football people universally respect more than Reich (Shanahan, McDaniels, Patricia, even Lynn). There is no way to know who will end up the best but there is a reason those guys have so much interest. Reich may not be horrible but I see nothing other than "he played for the Bills" to have him above any of those guys. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Adam Gase was a hot candidate for a while (working with Peyton). He was hired immediately. There are coordinators that football people universally respect more than Reich (Shanahan, McDaniels, Patricia, even Lynn). There is no way to know who will end up the best but there is a reason those guys have so much interest. Reich may not be horrible but I see nothing other than "he played for the Bills" to have him above any of those guys. That's the point. McDaniels was a failure already in Denver now he's a hot commodity again? We all have our own opinions, but I'd like the Bills to give Reich a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Adam Gase was a hot candidate for a while (working with Peyton). He was hired immediately. There are coordinators that football people universally respect more than Reich (Shanahan, McDaniels, Patricia, even Lynn). There is no way to know who will end up the best but there is a reason those guys have so much interest. Reich may not be horrible but I see nothing other than "he played for the Bills" to have him above any of those guys. That's the point.Your argument relies strictly on numbers and rankings. Take Gus Bradley (for example). He's a guy that wants to hitch his wagon to A. Lynn but, honestly, what have either of them done? Very little. Bradley had a defense that was mediocre to great in Seattle (and is still good in Seattle) to poor in Jax. And A. Lynn has been a great running backs coach. So Reich doesn't belong in a group of possible candidates??? You have some axe to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Your argument relies strictly on numbers and rankings. Take Gus Bradley (for example). He's a guy that wants to hitch his wagon to A. Lynn but, honestly, what have either of them done? Very little. Bradley had a defense that was mediocre to great in Seattle (and is still good in Seattle) to poor in Jax. And A. Lynn has been a great running backs coach. So Reich doesn't belong in a group of possible candidates??? You have some axe to grind.Not at all Tell me what team besides the Bills has expressed an interest in Reich? I haven't seen one. I don't love Lynn either, but I like the Lynn - Bradley combination. I like McDaniels then Coughlin and I'd love Dabo (but not sure that realistic). He'd be my pie in the sky option. I like guys who have an identity. I just don't know how you hire an OC that doesn't call plays as a HC. He is a good leader I believe but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's a good football coach. If he weren't a Bills QB everyone would hate this interview. Has he accomplished what Shanahan or McDermott has for example? The answer is no. Does that mean that he will be worse of course not. I just don't know why you'd hire the guy that's done less. The league isn't viewing Reich as a HC candidate. The Bills are. Those other guys are being looked at for every job. If Reich didn't play for the Bills would he still be considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazroc Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I look at it this way. Right know when you mention Frank Reich to me I immediately think comeback game. The td to reed sliding across the endzone. Im sure most of you do too. Frank is a super hero. Please Buffalo, dont change that memory. I dont need the first thing I think of when you mention frank reich to be some stupid decision to punt in a game that costs the playoffs. Cause you know thats what will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Not at all Tell me what team besides the Bills has expressed an interest in Reich? I haven't seen one. I don't love Lynn either, but I like the Lynn - Bradley combination. I like McDaniels then Coughlin and I'd love Dabo (but not sure that realistic). He'd be my pie in the sky option. I like guys who have an identity. I just don't know how you hire an OC that doesn't call plays as a HC. He is a good leader I believe but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's a good football coach. If he weren't a Bills QB everyone would hate this interview. Has he accomplished what Shanahan or McDermott has for example? The answer is no. Does that mean that he will be worse of course not. I just don't know why you'd hire the guy that's done less. The league isn't viewing Reich as a HC candidate. The Bills are. Those other guys are being looked at for every job. If Reich didn't play for the Bills would he still be considered? But to be fair John Harbaugh was a Special Teams Coordinator. He's done fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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