Deranged Rhino Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 You probably know by now that no normal Americans are allowed to see the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement. It’s classified. Even members of Congress can only read it by going to secure reading rooms in the basement of the Capitol. But here’s what you might not know: you’re not even allowed to know who in Congress has bothered to do this. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/13/cant-read-tpp-cant-find-congress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/13/cant-read-tpp-cant-find-congress/ More conspiracy stuff? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 More conspiracy stuff? Really? What conspiracy? I don't think that word means what you think it means, A.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 What conspiracy? I don't think that word means what you think it means, A.H. The intercept knows! Another wacko website you post from. They are comparing the trade deal to Bush's WMD report? HA HA, you are a total tool of these conspiracy websites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The intercept knows! Another wacko website you post from. They are comparing the trade deal to Bush's WMD report? HA HA, you are a total tool of these conspiracy websites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Stop posting stupid, paranoid, asinine links and take your own advice you complete idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Stop posting stupid, paranoid, asinine links and take your own advice you complete idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 You expect anything less from gatorman? and round these parts we call it going full gator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 You expect anything less from gatorman? and round these parts we call it going full gator :lol: True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 You probably know by now that no normal Americans are allowed to see the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement. It’s classified. Even members of Congress can only read it by going to secure reading rooms in the basement of the Capitol. But here’s what you might not know: you’re not even allowed to know who in Congress has bothered to do this. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/13/cant-read-tpp-cant-find-congress/ This from 'the most transparent administration in history'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 This from 'the most transparent administration in history'. It's crazy. I can come around to the idea of keeping the contents of the bill classified while it's being negotiated (even though I disagree on principle with that approach), but I don't understand why it's classified to know which lawmakers have bothered to read the bill in the first place. It makes no sense, unless they know no one is going to read it (like the lead up to Iraq and the ACA) and it's just damage control... Even then, it's so shady and unnecessary. It only fuels speculation that the American people are about to get screwed by this deal -- even if speculation is all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Even then, it's so shady and unnecessary. It only fuels speculation that the American people are about to get screwed by this deal -- even if speculation is all there is to it. And it should fuel speculation - if it's a simple trade deal, why are its contents and those that support it proprietary information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I spent some time last night looking up the 2 trade related bills that were voted on Friday. In true governmental style they are very lengthy, wordy convoluted pieces of work. You know the asses in DC do this on purpose to keep citizens (and their peers) from even reading this crap. That and you can't find a decent article online that explains what the hell this is all about. Sound familiar? Even Paul Ryan who I generally respect for his telling it like it is style was on TV and did nothing but make the viewers more confused and more skeptical. This thing sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Yes, this is from Julian Assange, so, take that into consideration. But here's his take: A recently disclosed "Investment Chapter" highlights the intent of U.S.-led negotiators to create a tribunal where corporations can sue governments if their laws interfere with a company’s claimed future profits. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange warns the plan could chill the adoption of health and environmental regulations. (snip) ASSANGE: "OK, so it’s a—the largest-ever international economic treaty that has ever been negotiated, very considerably larger than NAFTA. It is mostly not about trade. Only five of the 29 chapters are about traditional trade. The others are about regulating the Internet and what Internet—Internet service providers have to collect information. They have to hand it over to companies under certain circumstances. It’s about regulating labor, what labor conditions can be applied, regulating, whether you can favor local industry, regulating the hospital healthcare system, privatization of hospitals. So, essentially, every aspect of the modern economy, even banking services, are in the TPP. And so, that is erecting and embedding new, ultramodern neoliberal structure in U.S. law and in the laws of the other countries that are participating, and is putting it in a treaty form. And by putting it in a treaty form, that means—with 14 countries involved, means it’s very, very hard to overturn. So if there’s a desire, democratic desire, in the United States to go down a different path—for example, to introduce more public transport—then you can’t easily change the TPP treaty, because you have to go back and get agreement of the other nations involved." Video link and transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/27/julian_assange_on_the_trans_pacific Edited June 25, 2015 by GreggyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 According to Dante he's a Marxist, too. But how in the world could this country run properly if we didn't have a government that catered to the wealth producing sector of our economy? Like it or not, corporations are fundamental to our whole system. They pay the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Yes, this is from Julian Assange, so, take that into consideration. But here's his take: Video link and transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/27/julian_assange_on_the_trans_pacific The biggest "trade" agreement ever and no one can see it, let alone debate it in congress. It appears that we are giving up our sovereignty to a global government for the sake of international corporations. The fact that we are not allowed to see it alone should be enough to disqualify it. Add to the fact Barry and Boehner like it and they want to fast track it so no one notices. How many red flags are needed. I guess bs like the Confed battle flag are distractions. Edited June 25, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 http://www.cnet.com/au/news/blind-agreement-and-closed-door-deals-report-slams-tpp-negotiation-process/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 US to cut Canada out of TPP http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/u-s-may-cut-canada-out-of-pacific-rim-trade-deal-sources-say-1.3147300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Theodore Roosevelt At this point the government is doing far worse things to the population than "corporations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 At this point the government is doing far worse things to the population than "corporations." You say that as if there is a difference between corporations and the government these days -- the government dances to the corporate tune, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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