3rdnlng Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417899/inconvenient-truth-about-ghetto-communities-social-breakdown-thomas-sowell You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility, and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain — without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Dr. Sowell explains in one paragraph what intelligentsia everywhere haven’t figured out. Also from the linked article: The "legacy of slavery" argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half-century. Anyone who is serious about evidence need only compare black communities as they evolved in the first 100 years after slavery with black communities as they evolved in the first 50 years after the explosive growth of the welfare state, beginning in the 1960s. You would be hard-pressed to find as many ghetto riots prior to the 1960s as we have seen just in the past year, much less in the 50 years since a wave of such riots swept across the country in 1965. We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Dr. Sowell explains in one paragraph what intelligentsia everywhere haven’t figured out. Also from the linked article: The "legacy of slavery" argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half-century. Anyone who is serious about evidence need only compare black communities as they evolved in the first 100 years after slavery with black communities as they evolved in the first 50 years after the explosive growth of the welfare state, beginning in the 1960s. You would be hard-pressed to find as many ghetto riots prior to the 1960s as we have seen just in the past year, much less in the 50 years since a wave of such riots swept across the country in 1965. We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less. I've read somewhere that black illegitimacy rate in the early 60s was in the low teens. Now isn't it around the 70% mark? Edited May 27, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Well, slavery still is a factor. Life in the ghetto was hardly a joy before the 1960's. Then the black middle class left, drugs and guns expanded and yes, welfare . Whites get trapped on welfare, too. Slavery and Jim Crow had molded a culture that made welfare a little more destructive to a group that had been forcefully excluded in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Well, slavery still is a factor. Life in the ghetto was hardly a joy before the 1960's. Then the black middle class left, drugs and guns expanded and yes, welfare . Whites get trapped on welfare, too. Slavery and Jim Crow had molded a culture that made welfare a little more destructive to a group that had been forcefully excluded in the past There's one simple solution for those "trapped" on welfare. Get rid of the walls that imprison them and allow those people to get a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorguy Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 There's one simple solution for those "trapped" on welfare. Get rid of the walls that imprison them and allow those people to get a job. Amen bro, amen........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 There's one simple solution for those "trapped" on welfare. Get rid of the walls that imprison them and allow those people to get a job. If it were only that easy. So many people, black, white, whatever, have been brought up by bad parents that they are now unemployable. What do we do with those people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 If it were only that easy. So many people, black, white, whatever, have been brought up by bad parents that they are now unemployable. What do we do with those people? Don't give up on them as you have... that could be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 If it were only that easy. So many people, black, white, whatever, have been brought up by bad parents that they are now unemployable. What do we do with those people? Give them access to the internet and logins to football forums with a political board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Don't give up on them as you have... that could be a start. I have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have? Sure sounds like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have? Categorizing a wide swath of the population as being unemployable due to being raised in broken homes is the definition of giving up on them. That's not compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Categorizing a wide swath of the population as being unemployable due to being raised in broken homes is the definition of giving up on them. That's not compassion. But if you say it the right way they will vote for you every time, whether your policies help them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Categorizing a wide swath of the population as being unemployable due to being raised in broken homes is the definition of giving up on them. That's not compassion. Just pointing out a fact. You disagree there are people that are unemployable? Whats your solution for fixing this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Just pointing out a fact. You disagree there are people that are unemployable? Whats your solution for fixing this situation? You were just pointing out a fact... The fact is you have given up hope on anyone coming out of a broken home as an employable, functioning member of society. That's wildly offensive to a lot of people. The fact you don't understand this shocks exactly no one on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 You were just pointing out a fact... The fact is you have given up hope on anyone coming out of a broken home as an employable, functioning member of society. That's wildly offensive to a lot of people. The fact you don't understand this shocks exactly no one on this board. So basically, you just want to make this an attack on me. Wow! And you have to twist my argument around to do it. I never said I gave up hope on anyone coming out of a broken home. You are a liar. plenty of people make it against the odds. Many more do not though. For instance, look at all the drug abusers. So many of them are unemployable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) You were just pointing out a fact... The fact is you have given up hope on anyone coming out of a broken home as an employable, functioning member of society. That's wildly offensive to a lot of people. The fact you don't understand this shocks exactly no one on this board. This is the very first thing that has to be addressed. ****ty family life. Who's fault is it? Edited May 27, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Rather than chase the squirrel, I will post more from the always insightful Dr. Sowell Such trends are not unique to blacks, nor even to the United States. The welfare state has led to remarkably similar trends among the white underclass in England over the same period. Just read Life at the Bottom, by Theodore Dalrymple, a British physician who worked in a hospital in a white slum neighborhood. Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state — and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves. One key fact that keeps getting ignored is that the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits every year since 1994. Behavior matters and facts matter, more than the prevailing social visions or political empires built on those visions.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417899/inconvenient-truth-about-ghetto-communities-social-breakdown-thomas-sowell?target=author&tid=900925 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566635055/ref=nosim/nationalreviewon Edited May 27, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Rather than chase the squirrel, I will post more from the always insightful Dr. Sowell Such trends are not unique to blacks, nor even to the United States. The welfare state has led to remarkably similar trends among the white underclass in England over the same period. Just read Life at the Bottom, by Theodore Dalrymple, a British physician who worked in a hospital in a white slum neighborhood. Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state — and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves. One key fact that keeps getting ignored is that the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits every year since 1994. Behavior matters and facts matter, more than the prevailing social visions or political empires built on those visions. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417899/inconvenient-truth-about-ghetto-communities-social-breakdown-thomas-sowell?target=author&tid=900925 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566635055/ref=nosim/nationalreviewon How would you fix that B-Dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 So basically, you just want to make this an attack on me. Wow! And you have to twist my argument around to do it. I never said I gave up hope on anyone coming out of a broken home. You are a liar. plenty of people make it against the odds. Many more do not though. For instance, look at all the drug abusers. So many of them are unemployable. Your argument was that they're "unemployable." It's not twisting your argument to say you'given up on such people. Twisting your argument is what you're doing above, trying to say that when you wrote "unemployable" you didn't actually mean "unemployable." But something more like...y'know..."mostly unemployable." For the record, THIS is obfuscating with explanation. The bottom line, though, is: you posted something stupid, and are trying to squirm your way out of being an idiot. But we all already know you're an idiot. So just !@#$ing own it so we can all move on with our lives. How would you fix that B-Dude? No doubt with a link to a conservative opinion piece... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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