Kyle Orton and the Read Option: A missed opportunity

[3rdand12]

  On 1/31/2015 at 9:44 PM, Bangarang said:

I hope someone took your keys so you don't try and drive.

He is already driving. thats how he rolls.

and why we love BBF!

  On 1/31/2015 at 10:41 PM, johnwalter said:

awesome retort!

  On 2/1/2015 at 9:21 AM, schukamaru said:

Honestly, this is a very good post. If you throw out logic and reasoning. This is seriously the dumbest thing I may have read in my life.

hang around awhile. we got a million of em'

I consider myself pretty good competition for my Boy BBF!

  On 2/1/2015 at 2:01 PM, Ryan L Billz said:

I'll take him. Heard he knows how to smoke brisket. I could use a man like that around the house.

and who couldn't ? Now and again.

Brisket is a fine thing to have. around the house.

  On 2/1/2015 at 2:09 PM, BmarvB said:

 

If nothing else, you have a hell of a sense of humor

and yes. it is , if nothing else. But one hell of a sense of humor for sure

  On 2/1/2015 at 2:36 PM, ICanSleepWhenI'mDead said:

 

Do you remember the famous video highlight of Dan Marino faking a spike at the line of scrimmage and then throwing a touchdown pass right in the face of defenders who had relaxed thinking the play was over?

 

Do you think that play would have worked if he hadn't actually spiked the ball on earlier plays?

 

C'mon man - - think a little. The Orton "slide" play that everybody here complains about wasn't even on the last drive of the game.

now someone "gets" it.

Edited March 3, 2015 by 3rdand12

[BringBackFergy]

  On 3/3/2015 at 1:31 AM, Beerball said:

It's clear that he's no Jameis Winston.

Quite honestly, aside from the age gap, Orton and Winston could be easily mistaken for one another with a helmet on: both can read multiple defensive fronts with average intelligence and quick audibles; both scan the field for not only first and second reads, but also third, fourth and fifth reads; both exhibit unusually long extremeties allowing them to swim through rushing DE's and LB's; both have a release that is 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock for a short burst of power with tight spirals; both have the ability to concentrate in the midst of adversity and come back (see Minnesota and Lions games and Winston's come backs).

 

I have to give the edge to Orton on footwork, spring factor (think tire drill where you have to practice dipping and dancing through big DT's laying on the ground) and overall quickness and agility. Winston will disappoint....Orton has been there and the dust can be brushed off rather quick. "If you love something, set it free...if it comes back to you, playoffs here we come".

[3rdand12]

  On 2/1/2015 at 5:38 PM, BringBackFergy said:

If people would just stop and consider: Kyle was curled up in his recliner from Feb. 2014 - August 2014. He answered our call for help and assured St. Doug he would be back in high school "ground and pound" shape before training camp 2015. When Marrone and Hackett met with him to explain they wouldn't rely on his legs (or his brain) to run the read option next season, our entire team collapsed. Marrone had no choice but to resign. Most every other team knew Marrone screwed up by denying Orton the opportunity to run the read option...that's why he didn't get a head coaching gig (or an OC job). I've been checking Twitter for Orton's workout schedule and will update the thread when he makes it public.

and little Nate was just a victim.

The Horror. Oh the inhumanity of it all.

 

marrone.... marrone.. marrone

  On 3/2/2015 at 11:17 PM, BringBackFergy said:

I can guarantee one thing. In between walks on the beach, playing pitch with his buddies and bowling in the Husband Wife Tournament at the Four Pins Bowlarama with his wife, he is spending considerable time doing pilates, running sprints with parachute resistance and drinking kale shakes. I think I read somewhere that he is producing his own 3 disc DVD instructional series called "Running Through the Steps: How to perfect the Read Option". You may laugh but Kyle will rear his head again this summer just in time to offer some lucky team the opportunity to find a diamond in the rough.

But could it Please Be The Bills !! oh i miss his potential.

  On 3/3/2015 at 1:47 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Quite honestly, aside from the age gap, Orton and Winston could be easily mistaken for one another with a helmet on: both can read multiple defensive fronts with average intelligence and quick audibles; both scan the field for not only first and second reads, but also third, fourth and fifth reads; both exhibit unusually long extremeties allowing them to swim through rushing DE's and LB's; both have a release that is 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock for a short burst of power with tight spirals; both have the ability to concentrate in the midst of adversity and come back (see Minnesota and Lions games and Winston's come backs).

 

I have to give the edge to Orton on footwork, spring factor (think tire drill where you have to practice dipping and dancing through big DT's laying on the ground) and overall quickness and agility. Winston will disappoint....Orton has been there and the dust can be brushed off rather quick. "If you love something, set it free...if it comes back to you, playoffs here we come".

You Good Sir are a visionary.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

  On 3/3/2015 at 1:47 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Quite honestly, aside from the age gap, Orton and Winston could be easily mistaken for one another with a helmet on: both can read multiple defensive fronts with average intelligence and quick audibles; both scan the field for not only first and second reads, but also third, fourth and fifth reads; both exhibit unusually long extremeties allowing them to swim through rushing DE's and LB's; both have a release that is 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock for a short burst of power with tight spirals; both have the ability to concentrate in the midst of adversity and come back (see Minnesota and Lions games and Winston's come backs).

 

I have to give the edge to Orton on footwork, spring factor (think tire drill where you have to practice dipping and dancing through big DT's laying on the ground) and overall quickness and agility. Winston will disappoint....Orton has been there and the dust can be brushed off rather quick. "If you love something, set it free...if it comes back to you, playoffs here we come".

I have a real problem when people don't view Orton and Winston in the same class. Orton beat Winston in EVERY speed drill.

 

The reality is that there is some reverse racism going on and it's ugly. Really ugly.

[BringBackFergy]

Perhaps one of the best produced and informative films documenting the rise and premature retirement of #18. Even from the photos, you can still sense the hunger in his eyes and the fire of competition. We haven't heard the last from him (whether it is on the Bills or the Eagles - I know Chip Kelly always spoke highly of KO and would have fit nicely into the up-tempo offense).

 

A Must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9m8ZgKgbII

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

Fergy the up-tempo offense would put KO in cardiac arrest

replaced, replaced, replaced, replaced

 

I see a pattern

[Beerball]

  On 3/3/2015 at 2:52 AM, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I have a real problem when people don't view Orton and Winston in the same class. Orton beat Winston in EVERY speed drill.

 

The reality is that there is some reverse racism going on and it's ugly. Really ugly.

The reality is, IMO, that Winston has the skills necessary to be a fantastic pro QB, Orton does/did/will not..

[BringBackFergy]

  On 3/3/2015 at 1:58 PM, Beerball said:

The reality is, IMO, that Winston has the skills necessary to be a fantastic pro QB, Orton does/did/will not..

It's funny, Yolo pointed out yesterday that Jameis applied for a trademark on the name "Famous Jameis"....a little presumptuous don't ya think?

 

Kyle could have applied for numerous trademarks: "Stylish Kylish" or "Killer Krush Kyle" or even "Don't Tread on Me Orton"....all are appropriate, but he wasn't about to sell himself out like a cheap Ohio stripper.

 

Kyle has character, grace, a cunning approach to the game, willing to sacrifice his already solid body, and is quick on foot. Jameis is half the QB Orton is and you know it.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

  On 3/3/2015 at 2:10 PM, BringBackFergy said:

It's funny, Yolo pointed out yesterday that Jameis applied for a trademark on the name "Famous Jameis"....a little presumptuous don't ya think?

 

Kyle could have applied for numerous trademarks: "Stylish Kylish" or "Killer Krush Kyle" or even "Don't Tread on Me Orton"....all are appropriate, but he wasn't about to sell himself out like a cheap Ohio stripper.

 

Kyle has character, grace, a cunning approach to the game, willing to sacrifice his already solid body, and is quick on foot. Jameis is half the QB Orton is and you know it.

Famous Jameis follows Johnny Football ... will he follow him to rehab too?

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

  On 3/3/2015 at 2:10 PM, BringBackFergy said:

It's funny, Yolo pointed out yesterday that Jameis applied for a trademark on the name "Famous Jameis"....a little presumptuous don't ya think?

 

Kyle could have applied for numerous trademarks: "Stylish Kylish" or "Killer Krush Kyle" or even "Don't Tread on Me Orton"....all are appropriate, but he wasn't about to sell himself out like a cheap Ohio stripper.

 

Kyle has character, grace, a cunning approach to the game, willing to sacrifice his already solid body, and is quick on foot. Jameis is half the QB Orton is and you know it.

I was thinking like "Courtin' Orton." Since he's always getting the ladies.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

remember when someone linked the video of Orton throwing passes over the Rockies! (and believed it)

[BringBackFergy]

  On 3/3/2015 at 6:43 PM, BillsFan-4-Ever said:

remember when someone linked the video of Orton throwing passes over the Rockies! (and believed it)

What exactly are you implying?

[Beef Jerky]

  On 3/3/2015 at 6:43 PM, BillsFan-4-Ever said:

remember when someone linked the video of Orton throwing passes over the Rockies! (and believed it)

What does it say about you when I think you were the one that believed it?

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

  On 3/3/2015 at 7:02 PM, BringBackFergy said:

What exactly are you implying?

I'm an idiot?

 

  On 3/3/2015 at 7:07 PM, Beef Jerky said:

What does it say about you when I think you were the one that believed it?

you got me. I did ........ for about 1 minute.

I was one of the first here to be on board with bringing in Orton as backup.

 

I now see how that worked out.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

To be fair, Kyle Orton, who has a rocket for an arm, could, if given the chance, throw t he ball over the Rockies. However, because he has a heart of gold, and didn't want to make some Broncos intern or practice squad guy have to go search for it, so he faked the video.

 

Like the moon landing.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

  On 3/3/2015 at 1:49 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Perhaps one of the best produced and informative films documenting the rise and premature retirement of #18. Even from the photos, you can still sense the hunger in his eyes and the fire of competition. We haven't heard the last from him (whether it is on the Bills or the Eagles - I know Chip Kelly always spoke highly of KO and would have fit nicely into the up-tempo offense).

 

A Must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9m8ZgKgbII

 

My favorite part of that video is Morgan Freeman's narration. I heard he altered his voice to play the role (needed to be a little more futuristic for what was intended).

 

Small bit of trivia, but Morgan Freeman was at a few Bills' games this past year in the team's box, courtesy of tickets from Orton. They are really close friends, and met at acting classses at the Iowa Writer's Workship in '93 (apologize if this has been posted before; did not do a search on this).

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 1/31/2015 at 11:50 PM, BringBackFergy said:

What you naysayers fail to comprehend is with a beefy O-line, reliable back field blocking and Kyle's ability to evade hard hits to his body, he could have potentially constituted a gameplanning nightmare for defensive coordinators. Doug Marrone was too bullheaded to see this and I'm sure KO wanted to call his own number in the huddle. #legendcutshort. #russwilsonwho

This is like deep thoughts by jack handey.

 

Don't forget #quickfirststep

[BringBackFergy]

  On 3/3/2015 at 11:25 PM, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

My favorite part of that video is Morgan Freeman's narration. I heard he altered his voice to play the role (needed to be a little more futuristic for what was intended).

 

Small bit of trivia, but Morgan Freeman was at a few Bills' games this past year in the team's box, courtesy of tickets from Orton. They are really close friends, and met at acting classses at the Iowa Writer's Workship in '93 (apologize if this has been posted before; did not do a search on this).

I'm pretty good at scanning the Wiki pages and overlooked this fact. Thanks for the background. It all kind of makes sense now, doesn't it? Acting ability, skill necessary to deceive defensive secondaries and start/stop with accelerated, evasive tactics to confuse defenses. The narration in that video sent chills down my spine.

 

On a side note, there was some reference by Shefter or Graham (I think on Twitter) that Chip Kelly was looking for Kiko and Kyle Orton for MCCoy. As you know Kyle "retired" but don't be surprised if he pops up in Philly to reinvigorate Chip's lethargic no huddle next year. Rested and ready may be an understatement, but it's my understanding Whaley promised he would get Kyle to Philly no later than Saturday to talk to Chip (IMO).