\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Could be worse - can you imagine nekkid photos of Beerball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'm not arguing that nudity in itself is somehow a big deal, it's not. What is a big deal is people breaching other people's privacy and posting what were clearly meant to be private photos and videos in order to exploit it for profit. That's a ****ty thing to do and the people responsible should be found and punished, not given a pass because "everyone gets naked". If it was your sister, daughter, friend whose private pictures were being bought and sold over the net like baseball cards I imagine you'd have a different opinion on whether or not this is a big deal. What's a bigger deal is people thinking the internet can somehow be "private." Yeah, ideally, it should be, and everyone would be nice and respect that. In reality...if you take naked pictures of yourself and put them on any device that is connected to the internet, you have put those pictures on the internet. Do not assume a third party's cloud security is going to keep your stuff private. People - everyone in general, but celebrities especially, and judging by the statements she's released, Jennifer Lawrence in particular - need to start understanding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 What's a bigger deal is people thinking the internet can somehow be "private." Yeah, ideally, it should be, and everyone would be nice and respect that. In reality...if you take naked pictures of yourself and put them on any device that is connected to the internet, you have put those pictures on the internet. Do not assume a third party's cloud security is going to keep your stuff private. People - everyone in general, but celebrities especially, and judging by the statements she's released, Jennifer Lawrence in particular - need to start understanding that. What will be interesting will be what, if anything, comes out of this on Apple's end. This is the continuation of our society's slide down the slippery slope of losing our privacy. So much so that many people are oblivious to the ethical issues at play. Maybe that's because the targets are celebrities and we have the misconception that celebrities gave away all their rights to privacy simply by becoming famous, I'm not sure. The line has been blurred between public and private to such an extent we can't tell right from wrong anymore. Yes, people should realize that the internet is not private but to be fair, in these peoples' view they weren't posting to the internet and hell, some might not have even known their iPhones were syncing to the cloud at all. It still took a third party to criminally seize the photos and post them. It's not like these women accidentally tweeted a nude out (like some have done in the past), this was a premeditated assault by a group of hackers looking to profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) You are correct, as long as there are unscrupulous people out there pictures will be released. It happened before the internets came into existance and it'll continue as long as people are interested in obtaining those images. The fact that you are blaming those who backed up the images rather than those who stole them is disappointing. I also find it interesting that you can determine what is news and whether it's a, to use your word, huge deal. It should not be a huge deal. It doesn't mean it is not. It is to most people but it is not to me. It has been going on forever and it is unfortunate. From drawings on the rocks and caves to stealing iCloud password, pornography has been a strong influence. I think your missing the point jboy...... Just because someone CAN post this stuff doesnt mean they SHOULD and yes....I looked You know what is amazing, and do not take this the wrong way because i know you have a daughter, like Beerball. But I find it amazing that so many of these women are young and still do not appreciate the security of technology. If this was 40+ year old celebs I think we would simply believe they didn't know what they were getting in to and the social stigma attached to them would be different. But, these are young people who generally are at the forefront of technology and they were still victimized. That to me is interesting. I don't mean to bash on Jboy, hope you don't take it that way. Just trying to point out how it can look from the other side of this thing. Nah, you just don't know much about the internet. Start by googling Goatse. You're more naive than I imagined if you believe no money changed hands. That's just silly and ignorant of the realities of the world. And getting your news from the Mail is a big no-no. At least if you want accuracy and accountability in your reporting. This was done by a group of individuals, for profit. The filter down effect of image sharing from person to person was not for profit but rather people driving their site traffic through the roof (also = money for their sites). The point I'm making is you're excusing this blatant and illegal breach of privacy because either the targets were women and/or famous, worse, you are blaming the victims for it. That's just kinda of crappy. I am not blaming the victims. It is not about blame. It is not about blame. The victims did nothing more than live their lives and did so naively believing they were safe. So, anyway, yeah, I am ignoring that you know nothing about OnionIB, Anon, ThePirateBay, BitTorrrents, etc. Yeah, yep. For profit. Give me a break. You're not bashing on me, you're showing that you have no realization of how this works and I will try to clue you in based on what I know of the deepweb. On the deepweb currency is not that important because on the deepweb there is unlimited free content. Do some research on this stuff first - look at Chris Poole, that's a good start. He is the creator of the site that the photos were released on. No one made a dime - not even Poole, aka M00T, whose site does not net him a profit financially. In fact, after legal expenses and other such things he often loses money. What will be interesting will be what, if anything, comes out of this on Apple's end. This is the continuation of our society's slide down the slippery slope of losing our privacy. So much so that many people are oblivious to the ethical issues at play. Maybe that's because the targets are celebrities and we have the misconception that celebrities gave away all their rights to privacy simply by becoming famous, I'm not sure. The line has been blurred between public and private to such an extent we can't tell right from wrong anymore. Yes, people should realize that the internet is not private but to be fair, in these peoples' view they weren't posting to the internet and hell, some might not have even known their iPhones were syncing to the cloud at all. It still took a third party to criminally seize the photos and post them. It's not like these women accidentally tweeted a nude out (like some have done in the past), this was a premeditated assault by a group of hackers looking to profit. ignorance being used as a defense? so can the accused guilty party use ignorance as a defense, too? Edited September 1, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Could be worse - can you imagine nekkid photos of Beerball? I thought Beerball was the Peter Pan guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Well, here comes the second wave of photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Well, here comes the second wave of photos. You're welcome HAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Jboyst, you're wrong. Over 50k was paid out for the first wave of photos. I love how you are so impressed with yourself thinking you're the only one who knows about the darker side of the net. Trust me, you're not alone but you're just flat out wrong that this was not done for profit. It 100% was. Money changed hands last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Jboyst, you're wrong. Over 50k was paid out for the first wave of photos. I love how you are so impressed with yourself thinking you're the only one who knows about the darker side of the net. Trust me, you're not alone but you're just flat out wrong that this was not done for profit. It 100% was. Money changed hands last night. .source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Jboyst, you're wrong. Over 50k was paid out for the first wave of photos. I love how you are so impressed with yourself thinking you're the only one who knows about the darker side of the net. Trust me, you're not alone but you're just flat out wrong that this was not done for profit. It 100% was. Money changed hands last night. .source? Yea, source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 .source? Read your own link. Or anywhere on your magic box of interwebs that's intelligently discussing the story. The guy blew up the ring for profit/ego. He got at least 50k last night before running, some say as much as 100k. Yea, source? All over 4chan as well as other like communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Read your own link. Or anywhere on your magic box of interwebs that's intelligently discussing the story. The guy blew up the ring for profit/ego. He got at least 50k last night before running, some say as much as 100k. Believing what mainstream says - is hilarious. This being a network of people that covert? Nah, just like Round Rock ISD, Pumba, Jessi Slaughter, Palin's email, and the whole NFL stadium bologna... it's just the actions of a few people who took a little time to make something go big time. I need a link or something worthwhile on your whole "50k" or "100k" foolishness. Otherwise, go back to 9gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Believing what mainstream says - is hilarious. This being a network of people that covert? Nah, just like Round Rock ISD, Pumba, Jessi Slaughter, Palin's email, and the whole NFL stadium bologna... it's just the actions of a few people who took a little time to make something go big time. I need a link or something worthwhile on your whole "50k" or "100k" foolishness. Otherwise, go back to 9gag. So the original leak on 4chan didn't take bitcoin donations last night? Is that what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) So the original leak on 4chan didn't take bitcoin donations last night? Is that what you're saying? ...yes. While I was not there I read the archives of the threads. the bit coin donations came out after for helping the guilty parties supposedly hide and more importantly, they are bit coin. you can rip bit coin off- it's not real currency. All of this did not start on 4chan. It started hours earlier on other sites and finally spilled over to 4chan within an hour or two. 4chan could not organize and keep the information together and Reddit picked up that responsibility. Reddit documented nearly every move of this. Do you know how many idiots ask for donations on 4chan a day? How long have you been lurking that site because I don't think its been long enough. Edited September 1, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Reddit is where I've been following it as well. We're on the same page with everything but motive. Money was made last night, if you don't believe that then I cannot convince you the sky is blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Reddit is where I've been following it as well. We're on the same page with everything but motive. Money was made last night, if you don't believe that then I cannot convince you the sky is blue. I know what Raleigh Scattering is... derp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I know what Raleigh Scattering is... derp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes, people should realize that the internet is not private but to be fair, in these peoples' view they weren't posting to the internet and hell, some might not have even known their iPhones were syncing to the cloud at all. It still took a third party to criminally seize the photos and post them. It's not like these women accidentally tweeted a nude out (like some have done in the past), this was a premeditated assault by a group of hackers looking to profit. My post, by the way, wasn't meant to imply that these women are responsible for what happened. Quite the opposite: they were not responsible, because they didn't understand they'd effectively "posted" the pictures to the internet by "saving" them to the cloud. Thus, my point: people need to be educated on what "privacy" really is, and how they should protect it. After all the evidence to the contrary, anyone who thinks there's any privacy on the internet is either ignorant of what the internet is, or delusional. Reddit is where I've been following it as well. We're on the same page with everything but motive. Money was made last night, if you don't believe that then I cannot convince you the sky is blue. It's already been reported that the hacker who retrieved the pictures was paid via bitcoin for posting them. About $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 My post, by the way, wasn't meant to imply that these women are responsible for what happened. Quite the opposite: they were not responsible, because they didn't understand they'd effectively "posted" the pictures to the internet by "saving" them to the cloud. Thus, my point: people need to be educated on what "privacy" really is, and how they should protect it. After all the evidence to the contrary, anyone who thinks there's any privacy on the internet is either ignorant of what the internet is, or delusional. It's already been reported that the hacker who retrieved the pictures was paid via bitcoin for posting them. About $100. yup, money was a huge motive. $100 to be wanted by the FBI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I thought Beerball was the Peter Pan guy. I wish I had his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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