stevestojan Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 So you should get a raise because you're not a pompous prick? Mmmkay. 220713[/snapback] nope. but because i know how to deal with "people" and not just "co-workers". and you "mmmkay" think is almost as embarrassing for you as the "MOST EMBARRASSING UPSET IN THE PAST 5 YEARS" crusade you were on for a while there. But, carry on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 i work for GE . get 5 weeks vac. get 5 days pers. 11paid hol.--- we have people with6 weeks vac and 5 pers. days and take of 300plus hrs off with out pay on top of all the time off . this year the company is cracking down . they lost 17 man years to lost time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 they lost 17 man years to lost time last year. 220728[/snapback] interesting. Same time we've all spent reading posts by FFS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 nope. but because i know how to deal with "people" and not just "co-workers". and you "mmmkay" think is almost as embarrassing for you as the "MOST EMBARRASSING UPSET IN THE PAST 5 YEARS" crusade you were on for a while there. But, carry on.... 220720[/snapback] Excellent. It's always good to have someone let me know when I'm embarrassing myself. Especially the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Pete, I'm not saying this in a bad way (as I am a big guy), but you don't look like the type that bikes 60 miles a day... You're a big dude - aren't guys that bike like that the real thin veiny underweight guys like Lance Armsrtong... ??? 220347[/snapback] Hey Steve-aren't you 6'5, 240 and Ukrainian? I am not 6'5-but us Ukrainians are strong as hell! I do bike 30 miles a day. Usually I bike 200-250 miles a week. Even so I am 200 pounds and lean. God does not make us Ukrainians small! Did you know Lance used to be much heavier before he had his cancer? He lost lots of weight but yet kept his power. The more weight the harder to get oxygen to your cells. Cancer actually helped Lance's biking career. Lance is still a bad ass but back in the day Lance used to get in fist fights during races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I wouldn't say "it's raining," I'd say, "I don't have a bike." CW 220341[/snapback] I would say "do you have two legs?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hey Steve-aren't you 6'5, 240 and Ukrainian? I am not 6'5-but us Ukrainians are strong as hell! I do bike 30 miles a day. Usually I bike 200-250 miles a week. Even so I am 200 pounds and lean. God does not make us Ukrainians small! Did you know Lance used to be much heavier before he had his cancer? He lost lots of weight but yet kept his power. The more weight the harder to get oxygen to your cells. Cancer actually helped Lance's biking career. Lance is still a bad ass but back in the day Lance used to get in fist fights during races 221255[/snapback] I hope you know i wasn't ripping on ya! I was just saying normally when i see "bikers" they are these waif thin little "men"... good to see one of my ukranian brothers who is breaking that mold! (and, and it's 6'6) .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I hope you know i wasn't ripping on ya! I was just saying normally when i see "bikers" they are these waif thin little "men"... good to see one of my ukranian brothers who is breaking that mold! (and, and it's 6'6) .. 221282[/snapback] I was at the 1991 US CoreStates Championship. The winner that year was this montrous Dutchman named Michel Zanoli. After he won, he walked by me to the victory stand. I couldn't believe how big this guy was. I remember some guy running up to Davis Phinney compalining that Zanoli had bumped him near the end of the race, but Phinney was too exhausted to respond. The thing that stands out in my mind is the size of Zanoli. He must have been at least 6' 5" and 210 lean (all muscle) lbs. Lance won that race in '93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 What about people with children who have to take a lot of sick time to take care of their kids? Where do they fall into this whole hierarcy? CW 220646[/snapback] You take vacation time, since it is not you that is sick. In most all cases, having children is a voluntary act, so it is your responsibility. For PTO, it's all the same, otherwise you probably need to take vacation or unpaid time or whetever variation your company offers. For serious medical conditions (yours or your family member's), you'd be covered by FMLA, which states you cannot be disciplined for these absences, though you also likely will not be paid unless you burn off some type of paid time like PTO. Note on other comments: PTO does not mean unscheduled absences are okay, just that they subtract from your vacation so people like stevestojan self-police. At our company, 6 instances of unscheduled PTO is cause for disciplinary action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 At our company' date=' 6 instances of unscheduled PTO is cause for disciplinary action.[right']221357[/snapback][/right] Damn - 6 instances? I feel bad calling in when I'm truly sick. But 6? I think they could easily lower that #! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Damn - 6 instances? I feel bad calling in when I'm truly sick. But 6? I think they could easily lower that #! 221364[/snapback] If you get the flu, you're out for a week... There's 5 days right there. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 If you get the flu, you're out for a week... There's 5 days right there. CW 221412[/snapback] yeah, but i feel he meant 6 unexcused "instances"... ya know? I mean, I don't think having the flu for a week, and then three months later you eat a bad clam or something, and take a day off... I don't think that would count as 6 "days" in the way he put it. And by the way, if you're out for 5 days with the flu, you better be in the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick in RaChaCha Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I like the approach of paying people if they are not used. Another approach I like a lot is to give people a single set of days, no vacation, personal, sick, etc. You get 15-20 days to take, period. If you want to use them all to not come in every Friday, fine. But then you don't get a two week vacation in August. The problem with conventional sick day policies is that it is the dedicated employees who suffer because they have to do the work with the lazy sh--heads sit home because they think they are entitled to "use up" their sick days. So the good employee ends up with less time off than the lazy employee. And THAT is what creates bad morale, not managers who reward hard work and dedication. 220388[/snapback] what is the difference between calling in sick and spending all day on this website while at work??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kgun5 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 In all of the posturing, the intent of the OP has gotten lost. The fact of the matter is that there is no cut and dry way to "judge" someone's worth as an employee from the number of times they've called in and said they were not coming into work on a given day. There will be exceptions to any rule one tries to apply. That being said, I think it's silly for an employee that calls in sick at the drop of a hat (say, on every third Friday) to expect the issue of sick time not to come up in their yearly review. However, at the same time, no manager should decide that anyone who happens to use up their entire allotment of sick days (1 or 2 at a time) will not be able to achieve a certain rating. What if said employee still works longer hours over the course of the year? What if (s)he produces more than any other employee? What if (s)he really is very succeptable to viral and bacterial infections, and would actually hurt the company by attending work on those days? I wouldn't blame any manager for inquiring about the usage, but why does the company offer X amount of days if they plan to punish those that utilize them? It's akin to hiring someone on for a 40 hour week, but then punishing those that don't work 60. With all due respect to the managers here, companies have gradually been encroaching on the rights of the worker over the past 20 years. It is now to the point where most younger families must have duel incomes. This is even true for families with no kids, like my own. Overtime is expected and uncompensated in a specific manner. It is seen as a company loyalty issue, yet the loyalty from the company to the worker has drastically decreased. It is no longer a virtue to be a 30-year employee in most companies, as it probably only signifies that the company wasn't able to find a cost effective way to replace you. Pensions are being cut. Health benefits are being cut. Benefit "standards" are being lowered pretty much across the board. In a nutshell, companies are expecting more from the worker, while offering less. Because of this, forgive me if I don't cry a river for the company when someone misuses a sick day once in a blue moon. Especially since the word "sick" has many meanings. Physical sickness may be easy to work through compared to the emotional or mental anguish some employees could experience. At any rate, as with everything in life, moderation is the key. My favorite excuse is the concussion. It is obscure enough to avoid scrutiny, yet always plausible. It is serious, but can leave the afflicted looking and feeling fine 24 hours later. It can happen at any time of day or night, and even a doctor would be unable to catch the lie without heavy duty tests. It's drawback is that it can only be used once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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