What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ArdmoreRyno]

15 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

With the big brains God gave us, we ought to be able to work on two problems at once, right? (Parenting / easy access to guns)

 

This is way more of a cause than anything. Lack of parenting leads to leads to lack of education, juvenile delinquency which leads to crime as adults, leads to incrassation, leads to kids being raised w/o one parent or both parents and thus the cycle continues. I work at a high school and there is a direct correlation between single parent households, tardy/absenteeism, failing grades and then drop outs. 

 

I'm divorced (2005) but spent every possible moment with my girls (now 22 and almost 21). I raised them to respect themselves, don't let themselves be treated poorly by anyone... let alone men. I raised them both, even though my oldest was not interested at all, understanding how firearms functioned and how to be safe around them. My little one would get onto me when she saw me doing something unsafe with my weapon... "DAD! You forgot to put it on safe!". My nieces and nephew were raised the same way. I'll never forget when my nephew was 9, he called his dad and then me to say "UNCLE RYAN! John's dad isn't here and there is a gun by the TV!"

 

How we fix the issue of kids being raised poorly, that's the mystery. That's the key to helping improve our society IMO. 

13 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Saw some report where a freakin college pitcher was in the bullpen and hit by a stray bullet from a shooting just outside the ballpark

 

Yea, I posted the link in the past page. 

 

It will be counted as a "school shooting". 

 

It shouldn't be because it wasn't. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

20 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

more life stories.... that I didn't ask for

 

It's the point dude. I'm trying to explain that you have to raise your children to respect firearms, understand firearm safety, etc. It will lower accidents, lower shootings. 

 

BTW: You can click IGNORE on my profile and skip my posts if that triggers you so much. 

[ALF]

On 5/1/2023 at 9:07 AM, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Where, in the article, does it say he legally bought a firearm? It doesn't. 

 

Texas does not currently require background checks for firearms sold or traded at gun shows by private individuals or unlicensed vendors.

 

https://www.houstontx.gov/againstgunviolence/public/documents/86th-Session-Background-Checks-at-Gun-Shows.pdf

[Tommy Callahan]

13 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It's the point dude. I'm trying to explain that you have to raise your children to respect firearms, understand firearm safety, etc. It will lower accidents, lower shootings. 

 

BTW: You can click IGNORE on my profile and skip my posts if that triggers you so much. 

It wont, it needs the validation of a reply.

 

They cry about guns, but have no intention of doing anything by just parroting moronic talking points while ignoring/fostering the plague that's affecting our cities.

 

 

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

Texas does not currently require background checks for firearms sold or traded at gun shows by private individuals or unlicensed vendors.

 

https://www.houstontx.gov/againstgunviolence/public/documents/86th-Session-Background-Checks-at-Gun-Shows.pdf

About time, even though there is no way to enforce it.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

6 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Texas does not currently require background checks for firearms sold or traded at gun shows by private individuals or unlicensed vendors.

 

https://www.houstontx.gov/againstgunviolence/public/documents/86th-Session-Background-Checks-at-Gun-Shows.pdf

 

Here we go again. GUN SHOWS!!! THE DEVIL!!!! 

 

The gun show "loophole" myth is such a dead horse. Liberals LOVE to throw it around. 

 

Dude, THERE ARE NO FEDERAL LAWS that require anyone in ANY state to do background checks on privately sold firearms. There are some states like Cali, that require you to run to your local FFL, but you aren't going to force that. There is no magical "gun show" force field that throws out federal laws. It's bogus. It's a liberal scare tactic. 

 

I should be able to sell my Ruger 10/22 to my friend without having to drive 30 minutes to the local FFL to do a NICS and pay them $50 to file the paperwork? Should I have to do that when I bought my dad his first Big Boy Henry lever action .357 rifle? NO.  It's been like that since... well, forever. 

 

But all that said, let me ask... do you think this FIVE TIME deported illegal is going to run to "Gun Store USA" in Houston to run a 4473 background check before taking possession of the weapon he used? WILL ANY CRIMINAL?

[ALF]

Well we know how criminals have a unlimited supply of guns.

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

If they aren't gonna require background checks for private sales then they should hold the sellers accountable when a violent crime occurs. There has got to be some accountability in this world. Why require retailers to follow the rules but no one else? 

 

Question: The guy in Texas who was deported FIVE TIMES and managed to make it back to the United States... was he going to go do a background check? Yes or no? 

 

And... how does anyone know that someone is going to buy a firearm from someone, then years later go nuts and use it against someone? Gun dealers, people, etc... aren't precogs. We can't predict the future. Can you? 

 

There are already laws in place where it makes straw purchases illegal. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Why ask a question if you already know the answer? 

 

you are a weird dude

 

At least you can admit it. Making people do a background check for private sales will NOT prevent violent crime or gun deaths. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

It would limit sales and access to people who can't pass that check

 

Again, criminals don't care. That's the point. 

[BillStime]

25 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Right but most private sellers aren't going to want to be criminals

 

C'mon SUNY - we can't HOLD anyone accountable when it comes to the cult.

 

They have an EXCUSE for everything.

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Right but most private sellers aren't going to want to be criminals

Is there a registry of all guns in the USA?   NO.

 

So how would anyone know when so and so sold or transferred one?  

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Good point, the lobbyists have fought tooth and nail against a registry for decades.

 

It's not gonna solve all our problems no doubt. But it would help making them liable in civil courts and people would certainly think twice about who they are selling to

 

The people don't want a registry.  Never have.

 

That would be a start. We all read about the daily shootings in the bad parts of most cities. but almost never read about the follow up arrest of the gun dealer.

 

in fact we hardly ever read about gun dealers being arrested..

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

28 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I disagree on that.

 

I think a lot of people ignorantly assume there already is one. They watch these silly Law & Order shows where the cop hero recovers the weapon, searches for it in a database and arrests the criminal all in a 30 minute show.  And they assume that's how it works...

 

I think if you truly educated the American public on how it really is and if they wanted a registry the majority would absolutely be on board, many would be appalled at the current situation

 

 

 

 

 

and. Logistically, Still no way to make the register now.  you ever read about Canada registry and what happened?

 

The Firearms Act was created by Bill C-68, An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons, which was introduced in 1993, and aimed at the licensing of all gun owners and registration of all firearms. The bill also classified replica firearms as prohibited devices, with those already owned being grandfathered. It was passed by Parliament and given Royal Assent in 1995. The Canadian Firearms Centre was established in 1996 to oversee the administration of its measures.[8]

The registration portion of the Firearms Act was implemented in 1995 and the deadline for gun owners to register their non-restricted firearms was January 1, 2003.[9] There is disagreement on the percentage of gun-owners who complied with the registry. The Law-Abiding Unregistered Firearms Association estimated that over 70% of all firearms in Canada were never registered

 

Handguns are registered, and I am all for Federal Concealed Carry Reciprocity based on what the majority of states use.  and very strong penalties for unlicensed concealed carry.

 

 

But for real. you ever notice we read about drug dealers, gun toting criminals in the media nonstop. but hardly ever an actual gun dealer.  goose talks about a pipeline. where are the arrest?

 

and many people hold strong views based on ignorance and headlines anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Chris farley

[B-Man]

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I disagree on that.

 

I think a lot of people ignorantly assume there already is one. They watch these silly Law & Order shows where the cop hero recovers the weapon, searches for it in a database and arrests the criminal all in a 30 minute show.  And they assume that's how it works...

 

I think if you truly educated the American public on how it really is and if they wanted a registry the majority would absolutely be on board, many would be appalled at the current situation

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every FFL is required, by law, to file and keep their 4473 on site. If you go in to buy a firearm, you MUST fill that form out, which gets called into the FBI for your NICS background. Included in that paperwork is the make, model and serial number of the weapon you bought... if that's a firearm or a suppressor. They then file that paperwork. LEO can request to get access to those records via a judge. So there is a paper trail... somewhat.

 

And if you're for educating the public on firearms, let's really educate them. You see such high numbers against AR-15's because of a false narrative the media and left pushes. They want to "ban assault weapons" but they really don't know what that is, or how an AR actually functions. They know what the media and politicians want you to believe. I'm sick of hearing completely inaccurate information coming out of those groups who want to ban certain firearms, feeding into the public's fears of crime. 

 

No, Geraldo Rivera (Fox New), the AR-15 isn't full auto. No Gary Johnson, removing the "firing pin" doesn't make all guns full auto. No Kevin de León, milled guns (or any gun for that matter) doesn't have the  "ability with a 30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. 30 magazine clip within half a second." No Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington, bullets don't have heat seeking abilities. ETC - ETC - ETC. The public hears that BS and believes it. 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Well I've only shot firearms since I was 11, not 9 like you, so I might not be as refined of an expert (please no life stories), but there's a reason why every other application uses electronic records instead of paper these days and why firearm sales doesn't...

 

 

 

There is online forms for the 4473. Many large gun shops do it all online. Smaller shops use paper because it's cheaper. 

[Tommy Callahan]

25 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Well I've only shot firearms since I was 11, not 9 like you, so I might not be as refined of an expert (please no life stories), but there's a reason why every other application uses electronic records instead of paper these days and why firearm sales doesn't...

 

 

Most of the "bass pro shops" are mostly electronic.  Allmost all nicks checks are electronic now.  

 

Are you advocating for digitizing all future transactions?  And/or accessing/transferring the paper copies to electronic already in gun shops? 

 

Like looking up that gun you had at 11 (interesting story) at the point of sale?   

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 5/1/2023 at 11:40 AM, ChiGoose said:

Well considering most of the guns that are used in crimes in Chicago come from out of state, it tells us two things:

 

1. The tighter gun laws in Chicago and Illinois make it difficult for criminals to get guns here.

 

2. If our neighboring states enacted tighter gun laws like ours, it would be even more difficult for criminals to get guns and reduce the number of gun crimes here. 
 

A single Indiana gun store sold 850 guns recovered from crime scenes in Chicago

I didn’t see your response it was filtered. But i unfiltered to view. I don’t have a narrative. I see another real topic with entrenched sides yelling at each other and no interest in solving anything. 
 

Hand guns are the overwhelming problem with gun violence. I think assault rifles are dumb, but 15-20 times more murders occur with handguns per FBI database. Murder by knife exceeds rifle. Sure there is a group of unreported but a responsible analyst assumes the same ratios. 

let’s focus on the hand gun problem that is ubiquitous first. 80/20 rule. 
 

ok, you believe criminals are legally buying guns in and adjacent state and then illegally transporting them into your state? Yes?  
 

is this one gun store an outlier and out of how many elsewhere acquired guns? 

 

what laws are specifically relaxed in Indiana? Age? License? Background check? Other? 

[B-Man]