Rico Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 "Bandwagon Mentality" huh? Right you are OL! 2 things are "IN" on tsw right now, in order: 1) Drew sucks. Not making the playoffs was his fault. 2) Travis Henry is a highly sought after commodity. The 9-3 record after his benching meant nothing, and other GMs wont notice. Disagree with either of these 2 "facts" and the experts (you know, the ones who know SO much more than you) crawl out of their holes and pile on as if THEY have all the answers and YOU are a fool. The board was not always like this. 218061[/snapback] The door swings both ways...Those who slam Drew & praise Henry receive the same treatment, probably even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash2Burn Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I don't know how to calculate passer rating, but here is DB's for the last 12 games per nfl.com... 90.2 30.4 100.4 88.8 14.3 108.5 64.6 132.9 51.5 80.3 89.6 58.9 Could you tell me how to calculate this as a whole because looking at his individual rating for each game, it does not appear that as a whole that his passer rating is "just under 100" for the last 12 games. 218060[/snapback] Great research. You'd be hard pressed to guess that 9 of those games were wins, based off those ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Pockets Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I don't know how to calculate passer rating, but here is DB's for the last 12 games per nfl.com... 90.2 30.4 100.4 88.8 14.3 108.5 64.6 132.9 51.5 80.3 89.6 58.9 Could you tell me how to calculate this as a whole because looking at his individual rating for each game, it does not appear that as a whole that his passer rating is "just under 100" for the last 12 games. 218060[/snapback] Facts Suck. Back to the sandbox for some more head burying. Ding ! Mmmm. Ham and cheese. Gotta go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Great research. You'd be hard pressed to guess that 9 of those games were wins, based off those ratings. 218067[/snapback] What does that have to do with my question. A poster makes a statment that DB's passer rating is JUST under 100 for the last 12 games and I ask how they figured that out. Sorry if I misread the tone of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Facts Suck. Back to the sandbox for some more head burying. Ding ! Mmmm. Ham and cheese. Gotta go ! 218068[/snapback] Facts do suck, but many posters never let that stand in the way of their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 He ran for positive yards more. 218010[/snapback] DB ran for 29 yards in 2003 and 37 yards in 2004. If you consider 8 more yards for THE SEASON as something to write about, I guess you got me on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 DB ran for 29 yards in 2003 and 37 yards in 2004. If you consider 8 more yards for THE SEASON as something to write about, I guess you got me on that one. 218074[/snapback] You are right. That improvement is astounding. What those 8 yards must have done. Im sure it helped Rian Lindell miss a 30 yarder instead of a 38 yarder. Im sold, bring back the statue!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 DB ran for 29 yards in 2003 and 37 yards in 2004. If you consider 8 more yards for THE SEASON as something to write about, I guess you got me on that one. 218074[/snapback] Two questions; Do you think that Drew performed better in 04 than he did in 03? If yes, do you think it was because HE got better or the TEAM got better. Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Two questions; Do you think that Drew performed better in 04 than he did in 03? If yes, do you think it was because HE got better or the TEAM got better. Just curious. 218078[/snapback] Bill, I am just addressing the FACTS that Oneida has presented in this thread. People like to throw things out there as FACT and then not be able to back them up. i.e. DB's passer rating for the last 12 games is JUST under 100. To your question....Yes, DB did perform better in 2004 than in 2003, and yes, it was primarily because the team(OL, WR and RB) positions got better. That being said, I feel that it is time to turn the page on Bledsoe IF Losman is ready to go by the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Two questions; Do you think that Drew performed better in 04 than he did in 03? If yes, do you think it was because HE got better or the TEAM got better. Just curious. 218078[/snapback] I definitely think Drew played better in 04 than he did in 03...unfortunately, it just wasn't close to being good enough to justify his return in 05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Bill, I am just addressing the FACTS that Oneida has presented in this thread. People like to throw things out there as FACT and then not be able to back them up. i.e. DB's passer rating for the last 12 games is JUST under 100. To your question....Yes, DB did perform better in 2004 than in 2003, and yes, it was primarily because the team(OL, WR and RB) positions got better. That being said, I feel that it is time to turn the page on Bledsoe IF Losman is ready to go by the start of the season. 218079[/snapback] Thanks to you and Rico for the answers. To me, this now begs the question....Will the Bills (other than at qb) improve once again in 05? I think they will. JMac will have had a year. MW might come to camp in shape. MaGahee for a whole season. Evans imo will take the leap to where he is almost great. A lucky draft pick. I could go on. If I am correct, wouldn't the team probably improve from 9-7 even with Drew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash2Burn Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 What does that have to do with my question. A poster makes a statment that DB's passer rating is JUST under 100 for the last 12 games and I ask how they figured that out. Sorry if I misread the tone of your post. 218070[/snapback] Hey, I'm on your side. I think those rating show an average (at best), if eratic, QB performance. Only four times above 90, yet the team won nine times. If you were to guess at the Bills record based on only those ratings, I doubt many people would put their money on 9-3. I know...I know, stats are for losers. Do you have any ideas about what the league-wide average QB rating is for wins versus losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 If I am correct, wouldn't the team probably improve from 9-7 even with Drew? 218082[/snapback] I would think the team would be better, though it may not be greatly reflected in the record depending on how the schedule plays out. The problem is twofold IMO: 1. Objective: Bledsoe will fold again in big games. 2. Subjective: I'm sick of him & want him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Thanks to you and Rico for the answers. To me, this now begs the question....Will the Bills (other than at qb) improve once again in 05? I think they will. JMac will have had a year. MW might come to camp in shape. MaGahee for a whole season. Evans imo will take the leap to where he is almost great. A lucky draft pick. I could go on. If I am correct, wouldn't the team probably improve from 9-7 even with Drew? 218082[/snapback] You make a valid point, can the Bills improve from 9-7 with Drew? I think so, but the burning question is: How much can they improve and what are your expectations of this team for 2005? There are just so many examples from the past few years where Drew does NOT get it done, especially in road games and against good defenses. Sure the Bills won a few games on the road this past year with Drew under the helm, but not against very good defenses (Miami being the possible lone exception) At this point, Im just ready to see what J.P can do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 >>>>2. Subjective: I'm sick of him & want him gone.<<<< Fair enough, and thanks for the honesty. Do you think they would have a better record with JP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Thanks to you and Rico for the answers. To me, this now begs the question....Will the Bills (other than at qb) improve once again in 05? I think they will. JMac will have had a year. MW might come to camp in shape. MaGahee for a whole season. Evans imo will take the leap to where he is almost great. A lucky draft pick. I could go on. If I am correct, wouldn't the team probably improve from 9-7 even with Drew? 218082[/snapback] If the OL stays the same or gets better, 10-6 is a possibility...maybe even 11-5. It is hard to say without knowing if our 2005 opponents are going to get stronger or weaker during the off-season. I also believe that the Defense and Special Teams are good enough on the Bills, that if JP can improve enough to be the starter, there is reason to believe that our situation in 2005 could mirror Pittsburgh's success with a rookie QB in 2004. We could just as easily be 10-6 or 11-5 with JP as the starter instead of DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 You make a valid point, can the Bills improve from 9-7 with Drew? I think so, but the burning question is: How much can they improve and what are your expectations of this team for 2005? There are just so many examples from the past few years where Drew does NOT get it done, especially in road games and against good defenses. Sure the Bills won a few games on the road this past year with Drew under the helm, but not against very good defenses (Miami being the possible lone exception) At this point, Im just ready to see what J.P can do now. 218091[/snapback] My concern is that TV, LM, NC, Big Sam and others may either see their skills fade or be gone. With free agency and the salary cap, there is often a very small window to make a move. An improvement from 9-7 is tough to argue with imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I am ready to move on and start the JP era. The goal of our team is to win a Superbowl. Drew has shown me that he is not going to win the big game. It is time to start JP and see what the kid can do. JP does have to learn how to slide tho or he is going to get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 >>>>2. Subjective: I'm sick of him & want him gone.<<<< Fair enough, and thanks for the honesty. Do you think they would have a better record with JP? 218092[/snapback] Impossible to tell without seeing him play more... But I firmly believe that we would have a better record with Shane Matthews than Drew Bledsoe. That is why I do not want Bledsoe on this team, because if JP gets hurt or is not ready, I do not want more of the same-old same-old with Drew. If we can improve on Shane Matthews during the off-season without breaking the bank, I'm all for it... Bottom line, ANYONE BUT BLEDSOE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Oneida....will you even concede that it should be an open competition during the off-season and if JP turns out to be ready, that he should be the starter at the beginning of 2005 and the page gets turned on DB?? 218002[/snapback] I also concede to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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