thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Way way too premature IMO. Unless that's the island where you play 10 yards off every wideout. And Mark Sanchez is your daddy. Are we referring to his general style of play or that one game against KC last year? If it's the latter, then yeah, that was an issue. If it's the former...well...no. The link in the OP had some nice examples that defy the "cushion crusade". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Another draft pick we missed by one spot is what I see. All hail king McKelvin. Gilmore and his cushion needs to show me the money still. Gonna give him a pass due to injury last year but my Gilmore confidence meter is around a 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 im with Ryan on this one. HE has been ok. Im hoping he has a great year. IMO the first two years haven't justified a first round pick. I also believe Mclovin outplayed all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well he couldn't have a weaker year for division rivsls @ WR. Jeesh Imagine if we still had SJ13 we would be hands down the best unit. Now SJ13 will own the NFCW and Sherman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Way way too premature IMO. Unless that's the island where you play 10 yards off every wideout. And Mark Sanchez is your daddy. FeartheCushion! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well he couldn't have a weaker year for division rivsls @ WR. Jeesh Imagine if we still had SJ13 we would be hands down the best unit. Now SJ13 will own the NFCW and Sherman. Eric Decker tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Strongly disagree. If after 2 years you're not a pro bowler, you should get cut. Next man up! Eric Decker tho! I like Decker but he is exactly the type of receiver Gilmore should dominate. I'd worry more about small, quick wrs against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Strongly disagree. If after 2 years you're not a pro bowler, you should get cut. Next man up! I like Decker but he is exactly the type of receiver Gilmore should dominate. I'd worry more about small, quick wrs against him. He had problems with Antonio Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 LOL @ the thread title. When teams see Gilmore in man to man they attack him. That was the plan with Gilmore when matched up to Stephen Hill in his opening game and teams have continued to pick on this guy throughout his career because he is easily exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 LOL @ the thread title. When teams see Gilmore in man to man they attack him. That was the plan with Gilmore when matched up to Stephen Hill in his opening game and teams have continued to pick on this guy throughout his career because he is easily exposed. You mean in Week 1 of his rookie season; the worst game of his career? Nice cherry-picking. Perhaps you didn't notice that he went the final 11 weeks of his rookie season without allowing a TD, including facing WRs like Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson? I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole alert here. Also, from the article in the OP: In his first five games back from the injury, Gilmore surrendered 20 receptions on 31 targets (64.5%), one touchdown, while failing to record an interception and batted away just two passes, while allowing quarterbacks to post a 95.8 passer rating when targeting him. In the last six games of the year, Gilmore allowed 20-of-45 targets to be caught (44.4%) and zero touchdowns, while intercepting two passes and defending eight more. Quarterbacks put up a 48.1 passer rating when targeting him in that span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 LOL @ the thread title. When teams see Gilmore in man to man they attack him. That was the plan with Gilmore when matched up to Stephen Hill in his opening game and teams have continued to pick on this guy throughout his career because he is easily exposed. The Bandit already undressed it, but wow, what a terrible take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) This guy has been exposed by many teams other than the Jets. He is not even close to that calibre. The Browns, 49ers, Colts, Seahawks, Dolphins have picked on this guy with great success. Not to mention all the holding penalties this guy gets. He is not even close to an elite CB right now. The Bandit already undressed it, but wow, what a terrible take. Not very convincing. Bandit is dismissing his first year and half and cherry picking a small sample size. His entire body of work so far in the NFL is not even close to being at an elite level. Don't forget we are under a new scheme this year that will not be beneficial to his agressive style. A lot of the sucess with the secondary last year was because of the great pressure with the scheme from Pettine. Edited May 23, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) This guy has been exposed by many teams other than the Jets. He is not even close to that calibre. The Browns, 49ers, Colts, Seahawks, Dolphins have picked on this guy with great success. Not to mention all the holding penalties this guy gets. He is not even close to an elite CB right now. Stats/video/clips/blog posts, etc. or some type of info with which you can back this up would be nice. I did notice, however, that practically every game you picked came from early in his rookie season. The two exceptions--Indy and Seattle--are fantastically overstated when you look at the numbers. I'll preempt any reciprocal request with this: http://presnapreads....-buffalo-bills/ http://presnapreads....ankingsroundup/ Edited May 23, 2014 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Stats/video/clips/blog posts, etc. or some type of info with which you can back this up would be nice. I'll preempt any reciprocal request with this: http://presnapreads....-buffalo-bills/ http://presnapreads....ankingsroundup/ You just proved my point that he struggled against all these teams. Those were just off the top of my head...I'm sure there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 he did play with one arm for most of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) he did play with one arm for most of last year. Yeah. But he was bad in his rookie year and teams picked on him. Got hurt and struggled for a bit. Then there was small sample near the end of last year that was above average and everybody wants to crown this guy the next Revis. Edited May 23, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Not very convincing. Bandit is dismissing his first year and half and cherry picking a small sample size. His entire body of work so far in the NFL is not even close to being at an elite level. Don't forget we are under a new scheme this year that will not be beneficial to his agressive style. A lot of the sucess with the secondary last year was because of the great pressure with the scheme from Pettine. I dismissed his first year-and-a-half how? I pointed out to you that he went the final 11 games of his rookie season without allowing a TD. Are we expecting him to never allow a completion at all? I also pointed out the vast difference between his first 5 games returning from injury (and playing with a club) and his final 6 games. If you define that as "dismissing", I'm not sure there's a discussion to be had here. Yeah. But he was bad in his rookie year. Got hurt and struggled then there was short sample near the end of last year that was above average and everybody wants to crown this guy the next Revis. 11 games, zero TDs...I gave you the numbers and the details in a link. Is there some reason you've decided not to look at it impartially? You just proved my point that he struggled against all these teams. Those were just off the top of my head...I'm sure there are more. I would love to know what content in this post "proved your point"...please provide some type of logic behind your blanket statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Not very convincing. Bandit is dismissing his first year and half and cherry picking a small sample size. His entire body of work so far in the NFL is not even close to being at an elite level. Don't forget we are under a new scheme this year that will not be beneficial to his agressive style. A lot of the sucess with the secondary last year was because of the great pressure with the scheme from Pettine. Pettine was comfortable sending so much pressure constantly because he felt good about both Gilmore and McKelvin holding up in man coverage. Especially during the second half of the season when Gilmore was healthy. He was man-on-man with the other team's #1 every single down. Pettine got a head coaching job out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) LOL @ Bandit. This is taken from your links trying to prove your point. You proved my point. Gilmore struggled in his debut as a professional. He gave up some easy receptions to Stephen Hill early on, one in off coverage and one when Hill bounced off of his aggressive coverage. On every snap across from each other, Gilmore and Hill were enjoying an all-or-nothing matchup. When Hill was free, he was free, when Gilmore won the battle, he wasn’t an option for his quarterback. The biggest play between the two came at the start of the second quarter, when Hill beat him for a touchdown. He was beaten three times, once when he turned the wrong way on a short slant, the other when Greg Little’s hesitation caused him to bite on a fake outside when Little was going inside and another when Mohamed Massaquoi’s quick feet allowed him to win on a slant at the line of scrimmage. Gilmore primarily stayed on the right side of the secondary, moving inside to the slot twice when the 49ers brought two receivers to one side. He gave up a curl route to Randy Moss early, as he looked to run down the sideline too soon, before Michael Crabtree took advantage of the defensive backs swapping assignments in man coverage to get free down the sideline. Crabtree showed off excellent feet on a slant route to lose Gilmore again, before a blown assignment from the young cornerback afforded Crabtree an easy touchdown reception down the sideline. Colts Game 8 Failed coverages. Little-known Jordan White gave Gilmore the most problems in this game. White ran some very crisp routes to create space underneath on two occasions, but only Jeremy Kerley could get anything off him on other occasions. Kerley ran a double move underneath to create space outside when Gilmore pulled him back for the defensive pass-interference penalty. He also caught a deep-ball against him, but Gilmore’s coverage forced a perfect throw from Mark Sanchez. In the Miami Game that link shows that 6 out of 15 were failed coverages. Your link has given me pretty good perspective to what I watched on tv. Edited May 23, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I recall in the Cincy game, they specifically targeted Gilmore on screen passes to AJ Green knowing full well that while he could cover deep OK with the club, he couldn't tackle. It was a great move by Cincy, and Pettine had to adjust but by the time he did the Bills were behind despite having very good offensive success on them. Another game we gave away. This was HUGE coaching FAIL on Pettine's part having a guy out there on defense that can't tackle playing with one hand. That, and the OT punt return, and trying to throw a pass for a TD on 4th and 1 with the only guys going out being a FB and Tackle eligible probably cost us the game. Coaching (or lack thereof). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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