NoSaint Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Here's the thing- byrds tag decision shouldn't have been independent of this consideration. The only way we don't tag and trade him for a 6th is if we believe we are getting a compensatory pick, hopefully. But if that's true and we have offers outstanding to all 3 other guys (and only really have 3 other guys) that we stand to lose then it sounds like we are going to be pretty inactive in free agency. There just aren't a lot of ways to track this to an endgame where buffalo actually manages to come out ahead based on decisions they had some amount of control over.... It's almost best case scenario to believe they genuinely thought he wasn't going to be paid more than 8m in free agency and he'd be forced to take their offer to return and they got that wrong, compared to them making a free agency plan and weighing how to maximize his value seemingly so poorly on the way out. Edited March 12, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Here's the thing- byrds tag decision shouldn't have been independent of this consideration. The only way we don't tag and trade him for a 6th is if we believe we are getting a compensatory pick, hopefully. But if that's true and we have offers outstanding to all 3 other guys (and only really have 3 other guys) that we stand to lose then it sounds like we are going to be pretty inactive in free agency. There just aren't a lot of ways to track this to an endgame where buffalo actually manages to come out ahead based on decisions they had some amount of control over.... It's almost best case scenario to believe they genuinely thought he wasn't going to be paid more than 8m in free agency and he'd be forced to take their offer to return and they got that wrong, compared to them making a free agency plan and weighing how to maximize his value seemingly so poorly on the way out. The reality is that they mismanaged this. the idea that there was no trade market for Byrd was just silly. I don't think they seriously pursued the tag and trade option. And then at the same time they didn't want to pony up top dollar. If they get a comp pick out of this, they will be lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If they're sitting at having signed 3 guys, and having lost 4, and they still feel short at one position but have at stake losing a late 3rd rounder as compensation next year, they should send a 4th rounder for next year to a team for a player to improve the position that they are looking to improve. So say they feel short at WR, ant to sign a guy, they should just trade next year's 4th rounder because you will receive a late 3rd next year to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) well, with williams signed we are at a tally of 1 in and 1 out (7th round, net value loss pick, if there arent 32 qualifiers ahead of us) just since the running tab is easier than scrambling after the fact to assemble lists Edited March 12, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) now at 2 in and 1 out with graham signing, currently not eligible for picks unless they just start doling out the "8th round, no one else qualifies and we havent given 32" variety.... still just a running tab though, and faaaaaar from done. Edited March 12, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It's no mystery. It's incredibly simple and if they can't keep track of the basics that's no good. Lets hope that they are wise enough not to sign a backup lineman that turns a 3rd into a 7th if it's their final move of the offseason and there are similar players available that wouldn't or they could wait a couple weeks. Thank you, great call!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 now at 2 in and 1 out with graham signing, currently not eligible for picks unless they just start doling out the "8th round, no one else qualifies and we havent given 32" variety.... still just a running tab though, and faaaaaar from done. What are we looking at now, late 10th rounder, cannot draft anyone with R-S-T-L-N-E in their last name? Or do comp picks not get that specific... As they say, it's a secret code nobody can crack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) What are we looking at now, late 10th rounder, cannot draft anyone with R-S-T-L-N-E in their last name? Or do comp picks not get that specific... As they say, it's a secret code nobody can crack! Rivers puts us 3 in 1 out. We'd have to lose moats carrington and chandler and have all make rosters in order to get that third, and not sign anyone else. Starting to wonder why not tag and trade for even a late round pick. Edited March 13, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Is Rivers a lock to make our roster, probably yes, based on his contract. Not looking good to get that comp. pick as of now. I don't even know that Moats would make another teams final roster even if he is signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 with chandler resigned we remain at 3 in and 1 out, but only 2 left to lose (moats and carrington).... unless someone is missing on the list, or one of our sigings doesnt qualify for whatever reason.... the best we can do is a 7th if we lose both guys and dont sign anyone else that qualifies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Avoid signing good players, just to have a chance at a 3rd round pick? (Which is closer to a 4th round pick.) That is insanity and if Doug Whaley is thinking that way, he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 with chandler resigned we remain at 3 in and 1 out, but only 2 left to lose (moats and carrington).... unless someone is missing on the list, or one of our sigings doesnt qualify for whatever reason.... the best we can do is a 7th if we lose both guys and dont sign anyone else that qualifies Lock the thread, the chase for a comp pick is over. We officially got zilch for Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Here's the thing- byrds tag decision shouldn't have been independent of this consideration. The only way we don't tag and trade him for a 6th is if we believe we are getting a compensatory pick, hopefully. But if that's true and we have offers outstanding to all 3 other guys (and only really have 3 other guys) that we stand to lose then it sounds like we are going to be pretty inactive in free agency. There just aren't a lot of ways to track this to an endgame where buffalo actually manages to come out ahead based on decisions they had some amount of control over.... It's almost best case scenario to believe they genuinely thought he wasn't going to be paid more than 8m in free agency and he'd be forced to take their offer to return and they got that wrong, compared to them making a free agency plan and weighing how to maximize his value seemingly so poorly on the way out. I just don't get why he wasn't tagged, although I was for having him play it out instead of trading him. We could have shored up the roster this year and let him go next year and hopefully not have needed as many FA's with the idea of getting a pick for him. So we would get some use out of him to win games this year and hopefully get the comp pick in 2016. It's over now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Avoid signing good players, just to have a chance at a 3rd round pick? (Which is closer to a 4th round pick.) That is insanity and if Doug Whaley is thinking that way, he should be fired. I think ultimately the point being made was even if only for a 6th rounder, tag and trade was better... It's fans, and even the bills that pointed at the comp pick for part of the reason it was ok I think you built up a bit of a straw man as few if any said "don't sign any good players so we get a pick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Dixon puts us 4 in 1 out with only 2 left to lose, unless we missed someone - not eligible for a 7th any longer if true, no matter what. Only situation would be that 32 picks must be awarded and if not enough teams qualify they start an 8th round til they hit 32 total awarded. It seems we intended to be very active which meant a comp pick was likely never in our plans, simply a talking point to kick the frustration a year down the line when they were announced Edited March 15, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Dixon puts us 4 in 1 out with only 2 left to lose, unless we missed someone - not eligible for a 7th any longer if true, no matter what. Only situation would be that 32 picks must be awarded and if not enough teams qualify they start an 8th round til they hit 32 total awarded. It seems we intended to be very active which meant a comp pick was likely never in our plans, simply a talking point to kick the frustration a year down the line when they were announced We are missing Jim Leonhard, although it'd a huge question whether or not he'll even be on a teams opening day roster. At this point it looks like the Bills have 100% No shot at a 3rd round compensatory pick, and 95% shot at no compensatory picks what so ever. Meanwhile you have the Pats losing Talib and gaining Revis, yet Revis will not count against them as he was cut by the Bucs, and players cut do not technically count as FA additions. You can fully expect the Pats to have an extra 3rd round compensatory pick in '15. Not tagging and trading Byrd looks like an even sillier decision, now, because we have now confirmed he walked out the door for absolutely no compensation. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Not tagging and trading Byrd looks like an even sillier decision, now, because we have now confirmed he walked out the door for absolutely no compensation. Sucks. I pray that the bills weren't looking at it this way-- ie, we are not tagging/trading him because we are banking on a better comp pick? In reality, I think they legitimately thought they would have a much better chance of re-signing him by not using the tag. Incredibly naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) So you'd rather the Bills not sign free agents so they can get a compensatory pick? If they tagged and shopped a disgruntled Byrd, what do think they were going to get in return, a 7th or maybe a 6th rounder? I'll take the addition of mid level guys that they already know can play in this league thanks Edited March 15, 2014 by Smiley Dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So you'd rather the Bills not sign free agents so they can get a compensatory pick? If they tagged and shopped a disgruntled Byrd, what do think they were going to get in return, a 7th or maybe a 6th rounder? I'll take the addition of mid level guys that they already know can play in this league thanks Again, not advocating not signing anybody solely to get the pick but if we were going to be active why not tag and trade him for a 6? Now 5 in 1 out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts