NoSaint Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Paying a football or basketball team is a great idea. They elevate the schools profile. But what about the cross country team? Cheerleaders? Gymnasts? Wrestlers? They should be just as deserving. and even so, a HUGE portion of the football and basketball run deficits as it is. there are a lot of effects that will ripple through the actual student body if you are forced to pay athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Interesting... Just looked up UC's endowment... Over 6 billion and under NU's. The University of Chicago hasn't empahsized sports since dropping out right in the middle of its sports dominance in 1939. Living in the area here... Last few years, NU is pushing the Div I sports! "Chicago's Big 10 Team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 and even so, a HUGE portion of the football and basketball run deficits as it is. there are a lot of effects that will ripple through the actual student body if you are forced to pay athletes. the million dollar coaches. The training staff. The equient to be competitive. Then over head. Its costly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 the million dollar coaches. The training staff. The equient to be competitive. Then over head. Its costly and once you get out of the top 40 programs, how many are really booming? everyone pictures LSU and forgets Tulane, ULL etc.... are all D1 schools too(as an example local to me), not to mention D2 or 3 schools. do only SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC football and basketball players get paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) and once you get out of the top 40 programs, how many are really booming? everyone pictures LSU and forgets Tulane, ULL etc.... are all D1 schools too(as an example local to me), not to mention D2 or 3 schools. do only SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC football and basketball players get paid? It happens everywhere. This is what happens when the haves hoard too much than the have nots. The have nots get restless and invoke change. NU is flush with cash and players want a cut for the part they play. Edited January 29, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 It happens everywhere. This is what happens when the haves hoard too much than the have nots. The have nots get restless and invoke change. NU is flush with cash and players want a cut for the part they play. in what world should a student make more the. a professor while "employed" by the same institution? This is not a case of the have nots/haves. The haves are the top 2% of the NCAAF and NCAAB programs who get free rental cars, homes, apartments, swag, gifts etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) in what world should a student make more the. a professor while "employed" by the same institution? This is not a case of the have nots/haves. The haves are the top 2% of the NCAAF and NCAAB programs who get free rental cars, homes, apartments, swag, gifts etc. In a world where the market bears it. Does the student/player do more @ bringing in people? Making a name for the institution? Edited January 29, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 In a world where the market bears it. Does the student/player do more @ bringing in people? Making a name for the institution? lets make this fun. The less then 1% of the college athletes you've heard of do more for the school then the professor or TA? The Right Guard to the 2003 USC football team is doing what today? Or kicker to the NIU 1998 football team? Or the 6th man to the Boise State basketball team? Those players bring nothing to the team. The Tyler Haynesboro, Matt Lienert, JaDavon Clowney, etc do. The tiny fraction of successful student athletes help us know where schools like Marshall play, or Florida Atlantic, or Wake Forrest, etc. We wouldn't know Baylor from Catawba if not for a few "star" players. We would guess St Bonaventure is a church not a school My point is that these statements are made when only considering maybe 80 NCAA athletes. Not the likely 80,000 there actually are in D1,2, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Northwestern University football players are employees of the school and are therefore entitled to a union election, Peter Sung Ohr, the regional director of the National Labor Relations Board, said in a ruling released Wednesday afternoon http://my.chicagotribune.com/#story/chi-northwestern-union-bid-20140326/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 in what world should a student make more the. a professor while "employed" by the same institution? This is not a case of the have nots/haves. The haves are the top 2% of the NCAAF and NCAAB programs who get free rental cars, homes, apartments, swag, gifts etc. They're also governed by a ton of unfair rules that hamstring them so the University can reap the benefits. If the rules were even close to being fair, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Anytime the pendulum swings too far in one direction, something is going to happen. Here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Are they being paid to play or get an education? The NCAA has let this get way out of control by allowing schools to field "teams" that otherwise have no business attending their respective schools. Zero academic standards, zero expectations, just win one for the alumni! If they want to work "for pay" get a job and forget the education sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Are they being paid to play or get an education? The NCAA has let this get way out of control by allowing schools to field "teams" that otherwise have no business attending their respective schools. Zero academic standards, zero expectations, just win one for the alumni! If they want to work "for pay" get a job and forget the education sham. This is a key point. Allowing a barely literate kid into your institution of higher learning would seem to indicate that he's there for a different purpose than the kids who had to meet minimum academic qualifications. Personally, I'd love to see the NCAA outlaw preferential admissions standards for athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 This is a key point. Allowing a barely literate kid into your institution of higher learning would seem to indicate that he's there for a different purpose than the kids who had to meet minimum academic qualifications. Personally, I'd love to see the NCAA outlaw preferential admissions standards for athletes. Good point. Not to draw a parallel to Penn State but the NCAA really does have to get its head on straight. They are responsible for student athletes playing their respective sports and have nothing to do with the academic policy. The NCAA need only concern itself with the student athlete's sport. They do not and should not be involved in any academic responsibilities as it is futile. To require a minimum GPA to a student athlete is pointless because anyone can get an A in underwater basketweaving. The NCAA, Title IX, all of these things meant to improve the life of the student athlete hurt them further down the line and jeopardize the quality and opportunity of education on the non-student athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 UNC student-athlete earns an A- for his in-depth essay on Rosa Parks: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/check-out-the-terrible-paper-that-earned-a-player-an-a--at-north-carolina-151005969.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 UNC student-athlete earns an A- for his in-depth essay on Rosa Parks: http://sports.yahoo....-151005969.html Let's not forget the blatant plagiarism here. It appears this paper was lifted from PPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 UNC student-athlete earns an A- for his in-depth essay on Rosa Parks: http://sports.yahoo....-151005969.html But, but, but that is UNC! That is Dean Smith's school! That's a tough, true real school UNC is quietly known in this area as a school horribly riddled with situations like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The NLRB are noting but Political hacks. Maybe they need to go back to school...unpaid of course! Obviously the Academic component of student athletes is being overlooked. From a Union standpoint, ALL unions not only advocate pay & benefits, but also job security AND Longevity. IF there would be a union; how long would it take to negotiate a contract, would the schools be representing their players or themselves, would we see 6-7-8 year players, what would the dues schedule look like, could a union member be traded (transfer) to a non-union school, would that player then be called a scab, is graduation the equivalent of retirement, could a player ever come out of retirement????? An Alumni union may make more sense were it not for the fact that, in many cases, they're the ones who started the entire pay for play problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10695272/northwestern-wildcats-union-representatives-head-congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Oh, that's just what we need...get the nit wits in Congress involved in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 It will be fun when they find out that, if college-athletes are employees, that scholarships and related items can then be classified as "income" and "benefits", making them subject to federal and state income taxes. Also, by having "income", this makes these students ineligible for other financial aid such as Pell Grants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts