Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I said this summer that I doubt Stevie is on this team next year because of all his injuries. I like the guy but his days are numbered. It would make sense for the Bills to cut Stevie and leave themselves with $8.5M dead money, why exactly? bc he can't stay healthy Let me get this straight, we cut him because he "cant stay healthy" (how many games has he missed in the last 3 seasons, btw?) so we can be without one of our best WR and take a $8.5M cap hit. Makes sense (not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I cant believe how quick people are to pile onto one of most productive player.....you do realize Stevie Johnson is one of the most productive bills WR's EVER right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The Stevie "haters" are hoping this is the beginning of his decline. But even if Johnson ends up with 70 catches for 1000 yards or so, the haters will hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I agree with the other guys here. I have had back issues on and off since I was 15 and I competed in track in college (as a decathlete) and have run a number of road races from a mile to a marathon. My issues were usually groin pulls, back spasms/back alignment, and the occasional IT band injuries. I pulled my hammy once in a cold race for the 110 high hurdles, but no other issues there ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 bc he can't stay healthy Your grasping at straws. Next topic please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) I DONT like SJ, but this is totally ridiculous!!!!! He makes a lot of catches and has not missed games.. He not that highly paid, and has NOT had the best QBs throwing him the ball. The team is better with him than with out him!!!! Edited October 13, 2013 by artmalibu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I hate getting warning points. That said, I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I DONT like SJ, but this is totally ridiculous!!!!! He makes a lot of catches and has not missed games.. He not that highly paid, and has NOT had the best QBs throwing him the ball. The team is better with him than with out him!!!! Then why exactly don't u like him....cuz you just described like 4 reasons TO like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Hard to Decline when there was never a rise!!! How have you not been banned from the board? All you do is troll. Stevie Johnson is a seventh-round draft pick who has had multiple 1,000 receiving seasons. He's one of the best route-runners in the game. Stevie has certainly exceeded expectations and succeeded in the NFL. Do you have nothing better to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Then why exactly don't u like him....cuz you just described like 4 reasons TO like him Just because he is a decent receiver, does not mean I need to like him. Unfortunately, he is the best the Bills have at the moment. Reasons for not liking him are because of his low class antics that have cost the team, and the chokes when the game is on the line. Also, I have a hard time liking a guy that admits to not giving 100%. So, by not working out like he should he might be healthier or even play better. Maybe he has been healthy and used the injury stuff so he can do less. Who really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 bc he can't stay healthy Can't stay healthy yet he always plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enlightener Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I cant believe how quick people are to pile onto one of most productive player.....you do realize Stevie Johnson is one of the most productive bills WR's EVER right? no I don't, you mean lee evans right? who has twice the stats that sj has to date? or moulds right? oh no I know you meant dubenion who is right behind evans. Reed? right? I mean josh reed who still has more yards than stevie.....oh wait none of them had 3 concecutive 1000 yard seasons. why even play the superbowl? the ultimate acheivement has already been accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Well, I am a SJ13 fan... but, it is interesting looking at his career. Did you know that Josh Reed has more receiving yards? 264. Marquise Goodwin - 1 game - 0 yards (on 1 catch) 232. Chris Hogan - 5 games - 16 yads 190. Frank Summers - 5 games - 49 yards 185. Lee Smith - 31 games - 52 yards 178. Tashard Choice - 22 games - 61 yards 101. Robert Woods - 5 games - 265 yards 87. TJ Graham - 20 games - 388 yards 85 Brad Smith - 30 games - 392 yards 84. Naaman Roosevelt - 16 games - 396 yards 47. CJ Spiller - 51 games - 914 yards 37. Scott Chandler - 38 games - 1172 yards 29. Roscoe Parrish - 77 games - 1502 yards 28. Ernie Warlick - 56 games - 1551 yards 26. Joe Cribbs - 64 games - 1783 yards 24. Quinn Early - 48 games - 1868 yards 23. Fred Jackson - 81 games - 1905 yards 22. OJ Simpson - 112 games - 1924 yards 21. Bill Brooks - 47 games - 1959 yards 18. Jay Riemersma - 90 games - 23047 yards 17. Don Beebe - 76 games - 2537 yards 15. Haven Moses - 59 games - 2641 14. James Lofton - 59 games - 2736 yards 13. Glenn Bass - 69 games - 2799 yards 12. Pete Metzelaars - 156 games - 2921 yards 11. Steve Johnson - 69 games, 3489 yards 10. Josh Reed - 115 games, 3575 yards 9. Peerless Price - 84 games - 3772 yards 8. Bob Chandler - 113 games - 3999 yards 7. Jerry Butler - 88 games - 4301 yards 6. Thurman Thomas - 173 games - 4341 yads 5. Frank Lewis - 80 games - 4638 yards 4. Elbert Dubenion - 99 games - 5294 yrds 3. Lee Evans - 109 games - 5934 yards 2. Eric Moulds - 154 games - 9096 yards 1. Andre Reed - 221 games - 13095 yards Blue denotes player currently on the roster. Andre Reed averaged just under 60 yards a game over 14 seasons or 221 games with the Bills. 59.25 yards per game. Johnson has averaged just over 50 yards per game over 5 seasons or 69 games with the Bills. 50.56 yards per game. At that rate, Steve Johnson will need 258 games to break Reeds mark. That would mean an additional 11 seasons and a few playoff games. The exact math would be 11.18 seasons. Steve Johnson would play for the Bills 16 years and be on the roster in 2024. He would be 38. Edited October 13, 2013 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 There is a not-so-fine line between a player who should be in the Hall of Fame and a very good player who should not be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't even know what to say but, huh? I will say that chemistry between SJ13 & EJ3 needs a lot of work, but come on. He just came off his third 1000 yard season. How is he in decline? Its a bad start to the year, but under this criteria, is CJ28 on decline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterRocCo Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I cant believe how quick people are to pile onto one of most productive player.....you do realize Stevie Johnson is one of the most productive bills WR's EVER right? That right there. The guy has gone through a good deal of injuries and maybe he will start missing a game here or there but he hasn't yet. I can understand the idea that he may not get the production as in years past but so many variables factor into that. Having more options at receiver, a rookie QB, poor offensive play calling and tons of 3 and outs being only a few of them. SJ is not a pricey player and if you rid of him Woods will command more top corner coverage making him less effective. However I do believe that Woods will be that top WR in the future. Three consecutive 1,000 yard seasons with Tredwards and Fitztmagic as his QB. I really like SJ at slot and a single big game can have him on track for another 1k yard season. He isn't Calvin Johnson He never has anything negative to say about his team and he actually wants to be Buffalo unlike many players in the past. He is good to the fans and will be the first to admit a mistake. Sometimes he says some ballsy things but in comparison to many NFL'rs off the field issues he isn't a distraction. For his fair salary and being drafted in 7th he is a very good value at WR. Poor coaching, drafting, QB play, defensive play, and a lack of fire under the Bill's arses over the last few years has cost us far more wins than 2 or 3 SJ drops. People like to say he is not a #1 receiver but for the most part he has done the best with what he has. A lack of talent around him or the FO inability to get another top WR talent doesn't diminish what he has done. On the open market i would bet Jersey, Miami and, NE would all offer the guy a contract. I think he would be a stud at slot in NE. People act as though we deserve top talent or we should have a better WR than SJ. We are the Bills, we have been a joke for a decade. If guys like Marshall, Bryant, Jones, Green, Fitzgerald jump to sign in Buf over the next few years as FA's then maybe we can start talking about the shortcomings of SJ, but for now he has been one of the most productive WR's in Bills history. There are so many other players that don't pull their weight we can use as scapegoats, even at the WR position. I know that i have veered dangerously off topic but i digress.... Dictated, not written Steven Johnson Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Well, I am a SJ13 fan... but, it is interesting looking at his career. Did you know that Josh Reed has more receiving yards? 264. Marquise Goodwin - 1 game - 0 yards (on 1 catch) 232. Chris Hogan - 5 games - 16 yads 190. Frank Summers - 5 games - 49 yards 185. Lee Smith - 31 games - 52 yards 178. Tashard Choice - 22 games - 61 yards 101. Robert Woods - 5 games - 265 yards 87. TJ Graham - 20 games - 388 yards 85 Brad Smith - 30 games - 392 yards 84. Naaman Roosevelt - 16 games - 396 yards 47. CJ Spiller - 51 games - 914 yards 37. Scott Chandler - 38 games - 1172 yards 29. Roscoe Parrish - 77 games - 1502 yards 28. Ernie Warlick - 56 games - 1551 yards 26. Joe Cribbs - 64 games - 1783 yards 24. Quinn Early - 48 games - 1868 yards 23. Fred Jackson - 81 games - 1905 yards 22. OJ Simpson - 112 games - 1924 yards 21. Bill Brooks - 47 games - 1959 yards 18. Jay Riemersma - 90 games - 23047 yards 17. Don Beebe - 76 games - 2537 yards 15. Haven Moses - 59 games - 2641 14. James Lofton - 59 games - 2736 yards 13. Glenn Bass - 69 games - 2799 yards 12. Pete Metzelaars - 156 games - 2921 yards 11. Steve Johnson - 69 games, 3489 yards 10. Josh Reed - 115 games, 3575 yards 9. Peerless Price - 84 games - 3772 yards 8. Bob Chandler - 113 games - 3999 yards 7. Jerry Butler - 88 games - 4301 yards 6. Thurman Thomas - 173 games - 4341 yads 5. Frank Lewis - 80 games - 4638 yards 3. Elbert Dubenion - 109 games - 5294 yrds 2. Eric Moulds - 154 games - 9096 yards 1. Andre Reed - 221 games - 13095 yards Blue denotes player currently on the roster. Reed averaged just under 60 yards a game over 14 seasons or 221 games with the Bills. 59.25 yards per game. Johnson has averaged just over 50 yards per game over 5 seasons or 69 games with the Bills. 50.56 yards per game. At that rate, Steve Johnson will need 258 games to break Reeds mark. That would mean an additional 11 seasons and a few playoff games. The exact math would be 11.18 seasons. Steve Johnson would play for the Bills 16 years and be on the roster in 2024. He would be 38. That was confusing, I thought you were talking about Josh Reed. BTW who is #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That was confusing, I thought you were talking about Josh Reed. BTW who is #4? 3. Lee Evans - 109 games - 5934 yards It's way too late for this cowpolk to be up...my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Well, I am a SJ13 fan... but, it is interesting looking at his career. Did you know that Josh Reed has more receiving yards? 11. Steve Johnson - 69 games, 3489 yards 10. Josh Reed - 115 games, 3575 yards 9. Peerless Price - 84 games - 3772 yards 8. Bob Chandler - 113 games - 3999 yards 7. Jerry Butler - 88 games - 4301 yards 6. Thurman Thomas - 173 games - 4341 yads 5. Frank Lewis - 80 games - 4638 yards 4. Elbert Dubenion - 99 games - 5294 yrds 3. Lee Evans - 109 games - 5934 yards 2. Eric Moulds - 154 games - 9096 yards 1. Andre Reed - 221 games - 13095 yards Blue denotes player currently on the roster. Andre Reed averaged just under 60 yards a game over 14 seasons or 221 games with the Bills. 59.25 yards per game. Johnson has averaged just over 50 yards per game over 5 seasons or 69 games with the Bills. 50.56 yards per game. At that rate, Steve Johnson will need 258 games to break Reeds mark. That would mean an additional 11 seasons and a few playoff games. The exact math would be 11.18 seasons. Steve Johnson would play for the Bills 16 years and be on the roster in 2024. He would be 38. So by the end of his contract next year he could be the #5 all time.. Not too shabby. Your calculations don't take into account that Reed started his first year and Stevie didn't start until his third year. This makes your averages needing an asterisk. Stevie has been averaging over 62 yards per game as a starter. 69 games, but only started in 51.. Was only active in 16 of the first 32 games. Edited October 13, 2013 by MarkinSanDiego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 So by the end of his contract next year he could be the #5 all time.. Not too shabby. Your calculations don't take into account that Reed started his first year and Stevie didn't start until his third year. This makes your averages needing an asterisk. Stevie has been averaging over 62 yards per game as a starter. 69 games, but only started in 51.. Was only active in 16 of the first 32 games. I had thought about going that extra mile but figured enough people knew that to look at the information objectively. Also, I would have then had, because I am crazy, to do that to everyone else on the list. Like how Josh Reed got used a lot...but hardly ever used. How Quinn Early was thrown to a ton because everyone else on the field was covered. He also dropped a bunch and just was a bush here. Yeah, it'd have brought up too many rough memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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