JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://www.profootballresearchers.org/HOVG/Hall_Of_Very_Good_Class_of_2013.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 No different than Hall of Fame. Special teamers do not warrant admittance. I find this attitude by some writers to be extremely irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 No different than Hall of Fame. Special teamers do not warrant admittance. I find this attitude by some writers to be extremely irritating. If you're referring to Steve Tasker - the rule for the HOVG is they have to be retired for 25 years to be eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Bob Kuechenberg and Mike Curtis were both awesome players. There are a lot of great players not in the HOF and the line is so thin that it sometimes seems that the names fall arbitrarily on either side of the line. Here's a list of all the members of the Hall of Very Good, which Ken and his people started in 2002: http://www.profootballresearchers.org/HOVG.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Glad they Recognized Tom Sestak, Hopefully someday the PFHOF Veterans Committee will as well, He was the anchor of the great Bills D's of 63-64-65-66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 they need to change the name to the Hall of Greatness. HO very good sounds weak and lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 If you're referring to Steve Tasker - the rule for the HOVG is they have to be retired for 25 years to be eligible. No I am not. They have never elected a special teams player. 1 Position: Assistant Coach 1946-53 and 1962, and Head Coach 1963-70 2 Position: Back 2 Position: Center 2 Position: Cornerback 7 Position: Defensive Back 6 Position: Defensive End 5 Position: Defensive Tackle 8 Position: End 1 Position: End, Halfback 1 Position: End, Head Coach 1 Position: End, Kicker 2 Position: Fullback 11 Position: Guard 1 Position: Guard, Center, Linebacker 1 Position: Guard, Linebacker 2 Position: Halfback 1 Position: Halfback, End 1 Position: Halfback, Fullback 3 Position: Head Coach 8 Position: Linebacker 7 Position: Quarterback 3 Position: Running Back 1 Position: Safety 1 Position: Split End, Wide Receiver 6 Position: Tackle 1 Position: Tackle, Middle Guard, End 3 Position: Tailback 1 Position: Tight End 7 Position: Wide Receiver 1 Positions: Free Safety 1 Positions: Linebacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I LIKE IT! I always thought a lot of AFL players were going to be forgotten, and so many of these guys were just outstanding players. Probably not hall of fame, but the hall of very good is an intriguing idea. Hooray for the researchers association. I think we had a regular poster at one time who was involved with this group...but I forget who it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 I LIKE IT! I always thought a lot of AFL players were going to be forgotten, and so many of these guys were just outstanding players. Probably not hall of fame, but the hall of very good is an intriguing idea. Hooray for the researchers association. I think we had a regular poster at one time who was involved with this group...but I forget who it was. It IS KRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Bills watch, there ARE kickers in the HOF. But, only a couple.. What's it say that I clearly remember ALL the players in this years HOVG inductees? Nevermind, I know what it says.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 No different than Hall of Fame. Special teamers do not warrant admittance. I find this attitude by some writers to be extremely irritating. Who should be in that is not in right now? Keep in mind that a lot of the older players were also special teamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 No I am not. They have never elected a special teams player. And what ST player retired before 1988 who is not in the HOF do you believe warrants entry? Ray Guy? Billy "White Shoes" Johnson? Pete Gogolak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 And what ST player retired before 1988 who is not in the HOF do you believe warrants entry? Ray Guy? Billy "White Shoes" Johnson? Pete Gogolak? If you give it a few more years, I'd say Reggie Roby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 If you give it a few more years, I'd say Reggie Roby. There will be several. Morton Andersen, Gary Anderson, Reggie Roby, Adam Vinateri, Steve Tasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It IS KRC. Welll...looks like KRC knows his football given the people on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 they need to change the name to the Hall of Greatness. HO very good sounds weak and lame. Agreed, it even sounds a little hokey and belittling in my opinion, I actually thought it was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 they need to change the name to the Hall of Greatness. HO very good sounds weak and lame. Kinda like most of your posts, and your suggestion here. The name is perfect. Thanks for the list Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Kinda like most of your posts, and your suggestion here. The name is perfect. Thanks for the list Ken. Thank you. The term "great" is overused to the point that it is meaningless. I prefer to reserve that term for the truly elite. Also, the HOVG is not meant as a replacement of the HOF. It is for people who have had excellent careers, but are not in the HOF. Do I feel that some of the HOVG players should be in the HOF? Yes. People like Dilweg, Wistert, and Slater should be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Thank you. The term "great" is overused to the point that it is meaningless. I prefer to reserve that term for the truly elite. Also, the HOVG is not meant as a replacement of the HOF. It is for people who have had excellent careers, but are not in the HOF. Do I feel that some of the HOVG players should be in the HOF? Yes. People like Dilweg, Wistert, and Slater should be in. The best part of the HOVG for me is there are so many names I remember from childhood but have long since forgotten -- it's a like a who's who of my football card collection when I was 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Bob Kuechenberg and Mike Curtis were both awesome players. There are a lot of great players not in the HOF and the line is so thin that it sometimes seems that the names fall arbitrarily on either side of the line. Here's a list of all the members of the Hall of Very Good, which Ken and his people started in 2002: http://www.profootba...rs.org/HOVG.htm so true about the arbitrariness. There are the ones that are obvious--the OJs,the Jim Browns, the reggie whites, the LTs,the Jerry Rices.-They may be 25% of the hall. The rest are a bit of a jumble....subject to amt of media exposure,luck of the draw re teammates,coaches,organizations etc. I think the toughest call may be at WR where a WR can be doomed by the FITZs of the world.-That HOVG list is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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